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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 15, 2022 13:26:10 GMT 10
- In 2008 Obama is elected, In 2016 Trump is elected
- 2008 was where liberalism started becoming the norm, 2016 was when conservatism started becoming the norm
- In 2008 there was a stock market crash which plummeted the economy. In 2016 the economy started to boom
- Electronic music was starting to get widespread in 2008. Electronic music started to die out in 2016(Either 2016 or 2017 was the last year EDM was common)
- In 2008 people were more "forward thinking" whereas in 2016 people were more nostalgic or grounded in the past with hipster subcultures trying to replicate older times and people electing trump to make the country "great again".
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Post by 10slover on Jan 15, 2022 21:33:10 GMT 10
EDM was still big in 2018.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 15, 2022 21:47:07 GMT 10
EDM was still big in 2018. Nowhere near as big as it was in 2014-2015. It was bigger in previous years as well I think, especially so if we count electropop.
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Post by 10slover on Jan 15, 2022 23:33:02 GMT 10
EDM was still big in 2018. Nowhere near as big as it was in 2014-2015. It was bigger in previous years as well I think, especially so if we count electropop. I mean, happier was a massive hit and that was in late 2018 and thorough 2019, also don't forget about Stay and the middle The genre didn't just disappear after 2016 and i definitely think it was big in 2017 Then it really hit a wall in late 2019 and 2020
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Post by slashpop on Jan 16, 2022 1:52:57 GMT 10
2008 was more conservative than 2016.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 16, 2022 2:04:27 GMT 10
2008 was more conservative than 2016. No it wasn't.
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Post by slashpop on Jan 16, 2022 2:26:16 GMT 10
2008 was more conservative than 2016. No it wasn't. I remember most of 2008 really wasn't this super progressive period nor was it as conservative as earlier periods, it was quite transitional, mostly in the second half, there was definitely progress there and were just starting to lean progressive at the end, and not everything, but things were definitely different compared to say 2006 but not that different, but it was still mostly another 2000s year with bush in office, lots of typical socially conservative 2000s culture still in place with many progressive ideas were still in their infancy that would be actualized and full mainstream across the early to mid 2010s. 2016 inherited most of the progressive culture of earlier years by 2016 mainstream was much more progressive than anything anything in 2007-2008 and 2008-2009 with social topics and liberal shifts that were the norm but were unthinkable in 2008, and was rock solid in that regard, despite the trump thing blowing up slowly across 2015/2016, 2016-2017 having a solid conservative segment in the mainstream, even then, it continued and was still stronger than 2008 and progressive culture was not erased, overshadowed in the mainstream in late 2016 or 2017, vast majority of people and culture did not switch from being progressive to conservative, culture/pop culture/social attitudes was still mostly progressive in early and peak Trump years, infact all trump years.
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Post by John Titor on Jan 16, 2022 2:34:38 GMT 10
Terrible take once again
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Post by John Titor on Jan 16, 2022 2:35:27 GMT 10
2008 was more conservative than 2016. No it wasn't. yes it was, until November /December 2008 it lessened up a bit, but maybe you forgot how 2008 felt lol Despite liberal incremental shifts, 2008 felt HEAVY conservative
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 16, 2022 2:48:27 GMT 10
yes it was, until November /December 2008 it lessened up a bit, but maybe you forgot how 2008 felt lol Despite liberal incremental shifts, 2008 felt HEAVY conservative 2008 was the year where people started becoming tree huggers(I remember my sister handing out "save the planet, stop cutting down trees" fliers on the way to school) and literally elected a black man as president. As a bonus Katy Perry dropped a song called "I kissed a girl" which topped the charts. 2016 was the year where multiple nations, including the US elected right wing movements or leaders. And at the time Trump portrayed himself as a far right figure who everyone thought was hitler 2.0 and still got elected. There isn't much more that needs to be said. Inb4 "You weren't even a fetus in 2008!!!!!!" or something.
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Post by John Titor on Jan 16, 2022 2:49:18 GMT 10
yes it was, until November /December 2008 it lessened up a bit, but maybe you forgot how 2008 felt lol Despite liberal incremental shifts, 2008 felt HEAVY conservative 2008 was the year where people started becoming tree huggers(I remember my sister handing out "save the planet, stop cutting down trees" fliers on the way to school) and literally elected a black man as president. As a bonus Katy Perry dropped a song called "I kissed a girl" which topped the charts. 2016 was the year where multiple nations, including the US elected right wing movements or leaders. And at the time Trump portrayed himself as a far right figure who everyone thought was hitler 2.0 and still got elected. There isn't much more that needs to be said. Inb4 "You weren't even a fetus in 2008!!!!!!" or something. 2008 was like 10% liberal and 90% conservative, you are forgetting the vibe of that year lol, the way you are describing it is not how it occurred IRL lol
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 16, 2022 3:01:51 GMT 10
2008 was the year where people started becoming tree huggers(I remember my sister handing out "save the planet, stop cutting down trees" fliers on the way to school) and literally elected a black man as president. As a bonus Katy Perry dropped a song called "I kissed a girl" which topped the charts. 2016 was the year where multiple nations, including the US elected right wing movements or leaders. And at the time Trump portrayed himself as a far right figure who everyone thought was hitler 2.0 and still got elected. There isn't much more that needs to be said. Inb4 "You weren't even a fetus in 2008!!!!!!" or something. 2008 was like 10% liberal and 90% conservative, you are forgetting the vibe of that year lol, the way you are describing it is not how it occurred IRL lol If that was true Obama would have not been elected president nor would a song about a girl explicitly fucking another girl top the charts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 3:53:25 GMT 10
Nowhere near as big as it was in 2014-2015. It was bigger in previous years as well I think, especially so if we count electropop. I mean, happier was a massive hit and that was in late 2018 and thorough 2019, also don't forget about Stay and the middle The genre didn't just disappear after 2016 and i definitely think it was big in 2017 Then it really hit a wall in late 2019 and 2020 I think the pandemic shutting down clubs and festivals is what killed electronic music. Festivals always have been a major driver of the culture. Of course in the late '10s it wasn't quite as popular was it was in the mid '10s, but it was still a thing and it didn't end until Covid shut down the world and the economy collapsed. I've heard that now, electronic music is perceived among Gen Z as being for nerds and is "uncool," similarly to how it was through most of the 2000s.
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Post by John Titor on Jan 16, 2022 7:00:26 GMT 10
2008 was like 10% liberal and 90% conservative, you are forgetting the vibe of that year lol, the way you are describing it is not how it occurred IRL lol If that was true Obama would have not been elected president nor would a song about a girl explicitly fucking another girl top the charts. did you not see where I said there were shifts towards being liberal, it was a mostly a conservative year with rising liberal shifts. You are mis remembering what 2008 was like.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 16, 2022 14:03:06 GMT 10
If that was true Obama would have not been elected president nor would a song about a girl explicitly fucking another girl top the charts. did you not see where I said there were shifts towards being liberal, it was a mostly a conservative year with rising liberal shifts. You are mis remembering what 2008 was like. Even if it was, 2016 is definitely a more conservative year since in it people elected the portrayed image of hitler 2.0(i dont think trump is hitler he but he came across as such to get the far right vote) whereas in 2008 it was the opposite where people elected a black man as president.
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