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Post by John Titor on Jan 22, 2022 1:43:02 GMT 10
Damn. When I start to really think about it, the 2009-2010 school year (my 2nd grade year) was more late 00s in the musical department. Like, we had artists in their peak like Lil Wayne & Jay Sean as well as rising stars like Drake, Nicki Minaj, and Justin Bieber, who despite being moreso fresh faces who would define the 10s still had a late 00s sound in that school year. Like, these music videos from 2009-10 are also pretty late 00s: You know, I wasn't sure if 2009-10 was leaning late 2000s. I generally still thought it leaned early 2010s (it probably does in other aspects), or probably 50/50 (as that makes the most sense), but seeing this post, I think you convinced me on that this school year leaned late 2000s, at least musically for sure. Keep in mind the energy and atmosphere of late 2009, felt super 2010s, if anything Summer 2009 did have like 20% of the DNA of the 2000s kicking and screaming. But a ton of things like closed down classic mall stores, cognitive dissonance energy was in the air
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Post by slashpop on Jan 22, 2022 1:51:23 GMT 10
Damn. When I start to really think about it, the 2009-2010 school year (my 2nd grade year) was more late 00s in the musical department. Like, we had artists in their peak like Lil Wayne & Jay Sean as well as rising stars like Drake, Nicki Minaj, and Justin Bieber, who despite being moreso fresh faces who would define the 10s still had a late 00s sound in that school year. Like, these music videos from 2009-10 are also pretty late 00s: You know, I wasn't sure if 2009-10 was leaning late 2000s. I generally still thought it leaned early 2010s (it probably does in other aspects), or probably 50/50 (as that makes the most sense), but seeing this post, I think you convinced me on that this school year leaned late 2000s, at least musically for sure. Keep in mind the energy and atmosphere of late 2009, felt super 2010s, if anything Summer 2009 did have like 20% of the DNA of the 2000s kicking and screaming. But a ton of things like closed down classic mall stores, cognitive dissonance energy was in the air Exactly the 2010s were leading in late 2009, the misconception is thinking if 2000s things were more numerically it must mean it was more 2000s, or something like that, underestimating the weight of new 2010s culture then , late 2000s were def over in 2009-2010, despite lots of holdovers and continuations of trends.
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Post by John Titor on Jan 22, 2022 2:17:37 GMT 10
Keep in mind the energy and atmosphere of late 2009, felt super 2010s, if anything Summer 2009 did have like 20% of the DNA of the 2000s kicking and screaming. But a ton of things like closed down classic mall stores, cognitive dissonance energy was in the air Exactly the 2010s were leading in late 2009, the misconception is thinking if 2000s things were more numerically it must mean it was more 2000s, or something like that, underestimating the weight of new 2010s culture then , late 2000s were def over in 2009-2010, despite lots of holdovers and continuations of trends. Exactly, this is another topic you know I will go to bat on, because what you said is literally what happened lol I don't wanna see any revisionist history here trying to change history lol
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Post by slashpop on Jan 22, 2022 2:22:22 GMT 10
Exactly the 2010s were leading in late 2009, the misconception is thinking if 2000s things were more numerically it must mean it was more 2000s, or something like that, underestimating the weight of new 2010s culture then , late 2000s were def over in 2009-2010, despite lots of holdovers and continuations of trends. Exactly, this is another topic you know I will go to bat on, because what you said is literally what happened lol I don't wanna see any revisionist history here trying to change history lol lol same. 100%.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Jan 22, 2022 19:14:41 GMT 10
Damn. When I start to really think about it, the 2009-2010 school year (my 2nd grade year) was more late 00s in the musical department. Like, we had artists in their peak like Lil Wayne & Jay Sean as well as rising stars like Drake, Nicki Minaj, and Justin Bieber, who despite being moreso fresh faces who would define the 10s still had a late 00s sound in that school year. Like, these music videos from 2009-10 are also pretty late 00s: You know, I wasn't sure if 2009-10 was leaning late 2000s. I generally still thought it leaned early 2010s (it probably does in other aspects), or probably 50/50 (as that makes the most sense), but seeing this post, I think you convinced me on that this school year leaned late 2000s, at least musically for sure. Keep in mind the energy and atmosphere of late 2009, felt super 2010s, if anything Summer 2009 did have like 20% of the DNA of the 2000s kicking and screaming. But a ton of things like closed down classic mall stores, cognitive dissonance energy was in the air At the time, I felt the same way. The 2008-2009 school year felt pretty late 00s (or at the time leaning late 00s) bur 2009-2010 for some reason had a huge early 2010s atmosphere, so I'll give you that. But looking back at the things that defined the 2010s musically (like EDM, trap/mumble rap, synthpop), it was either nonexistent back then or very underdeveloped and not remotely close to the level of what it became. Compared to a prime early 2010s year like for instance 2012-2013, 2009-2010 felt very late 2000s musically. Overall, I see 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 being the ultimate 00s/10s transitional school years, with 09-10 being more 50/50 or possibly slightly leaning late 00s, while 10-11 (the ultimate electropop school year) was much more on the early 10s side of things. I think it's ridiculous to call 2009-10 pure early 2010s as of now. It's not like back then where our initial feeling was an entirely brand new atmosphere or culture due to not knowing what the future had in store for us. Just my two cents.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 22, 2022 21:34:48 GMT 10
Keep in mind the energy and atmosphere of late 2009, felt super 2010s, if anything Summer 2009 did have like 20% of the DNA of the 2000s kicking and screaming. But a ton of things like closed down classic mall stores, cognitive dissonance energy was in the air At the time, I felt the same way. The 2008-2009 school year felt pretty late 00s (or at the time leaning late 00s) bur 2009-2010 for some reason had a huge early 2010s atmosphere, so I'll give you that. But looking back at the things that defined the 2010s musically (like EDM, trap/mumble rap, synthpop), it was either nonexistent back then or very underdeveloped and not remotely close to the level of what it became. Compared to a prime early 2010s year like for instance 2012-2013, 2009-2010 felt very late 2000s musically. Overall, I see 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 being the ultimate 00s/10s transitional school years, with 09-10 being more 50/50 or possibly slightly leaning late 00s, while 10-11 (the ultimate electropop school year) was much more on the early 10s side of things. I think it's ridiculous to call 2009-10 pure early 2010s as of now. It's not like back then where our initial feeling was an entirely brand new atmosphere or culture due to not knowing what the future had in store for us. Just my two cents. >At the time, I felt the same way. The 2008-2009 school year felt pretty late 00s (or at the time leaning late 00s) bur 2009-2010 for some reason had a huge early 2010s atmosphere A big reason why is because the recession was at it's peak during the former school year and had just ended before the latter school year. That's something that most people completely overlook and say that the stock market crash of 2008 is the start of the early 10s with no changes in atmosphere when the recession ended. Easier to fit everything into one box I suppose.
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Post by mc98 on Jan 23, 2022 0:58:17 GMT 10
It's amazing how the 2010-2011 school year seem to have way less late 00s style songs than 2009-10. The transition was supposed to be gradual but it was abrupt.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 23, 2022 1:17:23 GMT 10
It's amazing how the 2010-2011 school year seem to have way less late 00s style songs than 2009-10. The transition was supposed to be gradual but it was abrupt. It was around summer 2010 when 00s influence music packed up and left.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Jan 23, 2022 1:32:25 GMT 10
At the time, I felt the same way. The 2008-2009 school year felt pretty late 00s (or at the time leaning late 00s) bur 2009-2010 for some reason had a huge early 2010s atmosphere, so I'll give you that. But looking back at the things that defined the 2010s musically (like EDM, trap/mumble rap, synthpop), it was either nonexistent back then or very underdeveloped and not remotely close to the level of what it became. Compared to a prime early 2010s year like for instance 2012-2013, 2009-2010 felt very late 2000s musically. Overall, I see 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 being the ultimate 00s/10s transitional school years, with 09-10 being more 50/50 or possibly slightly leaning late 00s, while 10-11 (the ultimate electropop school year) was much more on the early 10s side of things. I think it's ridiculous to call 2009-10 pure early 2010s as of now. It's not like back then where our initial feeling was an entirely brand new atmosphere or culture due to not knowing what the future had in store for us. Just my two cents. >At the time, I felt the same way. The 2008-2009 school year felt pretty late 00s (or at the time leaning late 00s) bur 2009-2010 for some reason had a huge early 2010s atmosphere A big reason why is because the recession was at it's peak during the former school year and had just ended before the latter school year. That's something that most people completely overlook and say that the stock market crash of 2008 is the start of the early 10s with no changes in atmosphere when the recession ended. Easier to fit everything into one box I suppose. The stock market crash of 2008 literally defined the late 2000s. The whole Dec 2007-June 2009 time period of the Great Recession was the societal zeitgeist of the late 2000s. No doubt. However, there was still a gradual change after that period. I 100% agree with you. It's like people assume that as soon as the Great Recession officially ended, specifically in the fall, that the early 2010s fully began, but culturally there was clearly a noticeable difference between late 2009-early 2010 "early 2010s" and late 2012-early 2013 "early 2010s". I think the ultimate transition of the late 00s/early 10s was the 2009-10 and 2010-11 school years. 2009-2010 slightly leans late 00s to me now but could also be 50/50 (I could also still see it slightly leaning early 2010s), while 2010-11 clearly leans more early 10s but the 00s influence was too strong for it to be truly 2010s. The first true 2010s school year was 2011-2012, which was the ultimate early 2010s school year as everything that defined that era culminated in that school year. Early iPhones and smartphones starting to take over, iPads and app culture, many new shows coming out during that time that would dominate throughout the 2010s, etc. That was also the first school year that you could truly notice the 2010s shaping before your eyes. I see it like this in terms of the 2000s/2010s transition: 2007-2008 school year - mostly Late 2000s (has some mid 2000s influence, debatably might have the earliest signs of 2010s influence and even if there is, it's miniscule at best, last school year of the core 2000s) 2008-2009 school year - strictly Late 2000s, IMO the ultimate late 2000s school year (first noticeable signs of early 2010s influence come in and a lot of trends that defined the 2000s were dying out) 2009-2010 school year - late 2000s/early 2010s transition (could debatably go either way but might lean late 2000s, at least musically, in terms of TV shows, it might lean more early 10s since a lot of new shows came out that season) 2010-2011 school year (ultimate electropop school year) - late 2000s/early 2010s transition (clearly leans more on the early 2010s side but still has a strong enough 00s influence) 2011-2012 school year - strictly Early 2010s, the ultimate early 2010s school year (a lot of trends and forms of entertainment that defined the 2010s started this school year) 2012-2013 school year - mostly Early 2010s (first signs of mid 2010s influence, last noticeable signs of late 2000s influence) 2013-2014 school year - mostly Mid 2010s (strong early 2010s influence, debatably might have 2000s influence but any likelihood of that is very slim and miniscule since at this point we are in the core 2010s, the 2010s in its prime)
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Post by bestmvp29 on Jan 23, 2022 1:33:50 GMT 10
It's amazing how the 2010-2011 school year seem to have way less late 00s style songs than 2009-10. The transition was supposed to be gradual but it was abrupt. Yeah. 2010-2011 felt very early 2010s compared to 2009-2010. For the most part, I think that school year still had the last real sign of 2000s influence in some ways, but for the most part, we were definitely more in the 2010s here.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Jan 23, 2022 1:34:52 GMT 10
It's amazing how the 2010-2011 school year seem to have way less late 00s style songs than 2009-10. The transition was supposed to be gradual but it was abrupt. It was around summer 2010 when 00s influence music packed up and left. Summer 2010 is a good marker but I'd say Summer 2011 entirely, give or take the Spring of that year.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 23, 2022 1:53:27 GMT 10
>At the time, I felt the same way. The 2008-2009 school year felt pretty late 00s (or at the time leaning late 00s) bur 2009-2010 for some reason had a huge early 2010s atmosphere A big reason why is because the recession was at it's peak during the former school year and had just ended before the latter school year. That's something that most people completely overlook and say that the stock market crash of 2008 is the start of the early 10s with no changes in atmosphere when the recession ended. Easier to fit everything into one box I suppose. The stock market crash of 2008 literally defined the late 2000s. The whole Dec 2007-June 2009 time period of the Great Recession was the societal zeitgeist of the late 2000s. No doubt. However, there was still a gradual change after that period. I 100% agree with you. It's like people assume that as soon as the Great Recession officially ended, specifically in the fall, that the early 2010s fully began, but culturally there was clearly a noticeable difference between late 2009-early 2010 "early 2010s" and late 2012-early 2013 "early 2010s". I think the ultimate transition of the late 00s/early 10s was the 2009-10 and 2010-11 school years. 2009-2010 slightly leans late 00s to me now but could also be 50/50 (I could also still see it slightly leaning early 2010s), while 2010-11 clearly leans more early 10s but the 00s influence was too strong for it to be truly 2010s. The first true 2010s school year was 2011-2012, which was the ultimate early 2010s school year as everything that defined that era culminated in that school year. Early iPhones and smartphones starting to take over, iPads and app culture, many new shows coming out during that time that would dominate throughout the 2010s, etc. That was also the first school year that you could truly notice the 2010s shaping before your eyes. I see it like this in terms of the 2000s/2010s transition: 2007-2008 school year - mostly Late 2000s (has some mid 2000s influence, debatably might have the earliest signs of 2010s influence and even if there is, it's miniscule at best, last school year of the core 2000s) 2008-2009 school year - strictly Late 2000s, IMO the ultimate late 2000s school year (first noticeable signs of early 2010s influence come in and a lot of trends that defined the 2000s were dying out) 2009-2010 school year - late 2000s/early 2010s transition (could debatably go either way but might lean late 2000s, at least musically, in terms of TV shows, it might lean more early 10s since a lot of new shows came out that season) 2010-2011 school year (ultimate electropop school year) - late 2000s/early 2010s transition (clearly leans more on the early 2010s side but still has a strong enough 00s influence) 2011-2012 school year - strictly Early 2010s, the ultimate early 2010s school year (a lot of trends and forms of entertainment that defined the 2010s started this school year) 2012-2013 school year - mostly Early 2010s (first signs of mid 2010s influence, last noticeable signs of late 2000s influence) 2013-2014 school year - mostly Mid 2010s (strong early 2010s influence, debatably might have 2000s influence but any likelihood of that is slim and is very miniscule at this point since at this point we are in the core 2010s, the 2010s in its prime) >The stock market crash of 2008 literally defined the late 2000s. The whole Dec 2007-June 2009 time period of the Great Recession was the societal zeitgeist of the late 2000s. EXACTLY! Hit the nail on the head there. The recession spanned from late 2007 to mid 2009, that IS the late 2000s.The aftermath and recovery IS the early 2010s. They are not the same. It baffles me why people think the middle of the recession is when the 2010s began when most of the late 00s were defined by it and none of the 2010s were actually in it. As for transition points I would say : 2007-2008 school year - Prime late 00s 2008-2009 school year - Transitional but mainly late 00s 2009-2010 school year - Early 10s with lots of late 00s holdovers 2010-2011 school year - Blatantly early 10s with a bit of late 00s influence/feel leftover. Also the biggest transition into the core 2010s 2011-2012 school year - Prime early 10s with a bit of mid 10s influences coming in 2012-2013 school year - Long in the tooth early 10s with mid 10s influences becoming very noticeable. It's somewhat transitional as minecraft grew in popularity and social media became more fragmented during this time 2013-2014 school year - Early 10s to Mid 10s transition but mostly Mid 10s
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Post by John Titor on Jan 23, 2022 1:59:23 GMT 10
At the time, I felt the same way. The 2008-2009 school year felt pretty late 00s (or at the time leaning late 00s) bur 2009-2010 for some reason had a huge early 2010s atmosphere, so I'll give you that. But looking back at the things that defined the 2010s musically (like EDM, trap/mumble rap, synthpop), it was either nonexistent back then or very underdeveloped and not remotely close to the level of what it became. Compared to a prime early 2010s year like for instance 2012-2013, 2009-2010 felt very late 2000s musically. Overall, I see 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 being the ultimate 00s/10s transitional school years, with 09-10 being more 50/50 or possibly slightly leaning late 00s, while 10-11 (the ultimate electropop school year) was much more on the early 10s side of things. I think it's ridiculous to call 2009-10 pure early 2010s as of now. It's not like back then where our initial feeling was an entirely brand new atmosphere or culture due to not knowing what the future had in store for us. Just my two cents. >At the time, I felt the same way. The 2008-2009 school year felt pretty late 00s (or at the time leaning late 00s) bur 2009-2010 for some reason had a huge early 2010s atmosphere A big reason why is because the recession was at it's peak during the former school year and had just ended before the latter school year. That's something that most people completely overlook and say that the stock market crash of 2008 is the start of the early 10s with no changes in atmosphere when the recession ended. Easier to fit everything into one box I suppose. thats not true at all, the vibe started feeling different dramatically when we got to late 08 from everything from Obama, to Twilight to Gaga's take over. People really acting like Just Dance was not played every hour on the hour on terrestrial radio   , this period of November 2008 to February 2009 is also when we saw the final days of Circuity City and Kb toys take place. Even tho both stores were on the decline it was a BIG deal that these spots were empty in the mall. The Mall ( which people still went to) started feeling "different". Also Hipster started to get even more popular Q4 of 2008.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 23, 2022 2:04:30 GMT 10
>At the time, I felt the same way. The 2008-2009 school year felt pretty late 00s (or at the time leaning late 00s) bur 2009-2010 for some reason had a huge early 2010s atmosphere A big reason why is because the recession was at it's peak during the former school year and had just ended before the latter school year. That's something that most people completely overlook and say that the stock market crash of 2008 is the start of the early 10s with no changes in atmosphere when the recession ended. Easier to fit everything into one box I suppose. thats not true at all, the vibe started feeling different dramatically when we got to late 08 from everything from Obama, to Twilight to Gaga's take over. People really acting like Just Dance was not played every hour on the hour on terrestrial radio Didn't feel that way from what I recall. I remember hearing just dance playing on TV and radio back in 2008 and it didn't make a difference because it was just one song. As popular as it was, every other song at the time sounded as 2000s as it gets. The closest thing which compares is Katy Perry but even her debut hits that year were partially pop rock which roots it in the 2000s. If one song is enough to shift to a new decade then "Sexyback" or "What are you waiting for" by Gwen Stefani should be the start of the 2010s.
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Post by John Titor on Jan 23, 2022 2:07:37 GMT 10
thats not true at all, the vibe started feeling different dramatically when we got to late 08 from everything from Obama, to Twilight to Gaga's take over. People really acting like Just Dance was not played every hour on the hour on terrestrial radio Didn't feel that way from what I recall. I remember hearing just dance playing on TV and radio back in 2008 and it didn't make a difference because it was just one song. As popular as it was, every other song at the time sounded as 2000s as it gets. The closest thing which compares is Katy Perry but even her debut hits that year were partially pop rock which roots it in the 2000s. If one song is enough to shift to a new decade then "Sexyback" or "What are you waiting for" by Gwen Stefani should be the start of the 2010s. continued this period of November 2008 to February 2009 is also when we saw the final days of Circuity City and Kb toys take place. Even tho both stores were on the decline it was a BIG deal that these spots were empty in the mall. The Mall ( which people still went to) started feeling "different". Also Hipster started to get even more popular Q4 of 2008. And that is not true at all about only "1" song lol. Example from November 2008 to Early 2009. RedOne ^^^
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, this period of November 2008 to February 2009 is