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Post by astropoug on Mar 15, 2022 12:18:00 GMT 10
Let me put it this way. Let’s take a typical 60s teen. One who loves The Beatles, smoking weed, and watching spy flicks. Now take them to the 2000s, and show them various aspects of 2000s society. Dudes breakdancing and spraying graffiti, listening to rap and death metal, playing Xbox Live and Counter-Strike, making and watching YouTube Poops, hundreds of channels dedicated to almost everything in existence, browsing MySpace and Newgrounds on the computer, flat-screens and massive projection CRTs. It would be completely fucking unrecognizable. It was a more traditional pre-digital society. Pretty much the only things that make the 60s similar to the 2000s is that black people had actual rights, people watched TV, people didn’t get polio, and people listened to rock music. Otherwise, the 60s are way more similar to the 20s.
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Post by astropoug on Mar 15, 2022 12:21:54 GMT 10
TV: 2000s, obviously Movies: 2000s Technology: 1920s Music: mixed but overall 2000s Society: 2000s International politics: 1920s Youth culture: 1920s Overall though I’d say the 20s. It was a pre-video game pre-computer society. It’s a completely different world from 21st century society, no matter which way you look at it. Hell, even in the 80s and 90s, the 60s looked ancient (especially the pre-British Invasion/Civil Rights 60s). Wait, why is youth culture closer to the 1920s? This was when fashion starts to get more casual and less formal, especially in the second half. I think some technology in the 60s is mixed. For example, television was non-existant in the 1920s and in the 1960s, it was a household item. 2000s kids watched cable cartoons, played video games, YouTube videos, Newgrounds, rap, EDM, etc. None of which existed or was popular in the 60s. Completely different vibe. 60s kids mostly either watched Saturday morning cartoons or played outside, whilst teens mostly just…I don’t know what 60s teens did for fun, but it definitely did not involve video games, malls, or the internet.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Mar 15, 2022 14:15:35 GMT 10
I would say more like the 1920s. The Digital Revolution of the past 40 - 45ish years have changed life so drastically, the only event in the past 1000 years that I think of right now as more changeful is definitely the industrial revolution (1800s).
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Post by TheUser98 on Mar 15, 2022 14:42:22 GMT 10
more changeful is definitely the industrial revolution (1800s).Which one? There were two.
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Post by astropoug on Mar 15, 2022 15:34:02 GMT 10
more changeful is definitely the industrial revolution (1800s).Which one? There were two. Both of them, I presume
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Post by jaydawg89 on Mar 15, 2022 16:20:33 GMT 10
more changeful is definitely the industrial revolution (1800s).Which one? There were two. Depends where you lived. In the UK, the 1st industrial revolution was definitely more changeful. In the USA, it would be more the 2nd (late 1800s). Overall, I would put more weight on the 1st industrial revolution, as it seems more like a turning point rather than the 2nd. Also, the US wasn't really a massively populated country nor a true super power until the late 19th century (which is likely why it was more affected by the 2nd industrial revolution). Much of Europe was already pretty industrialized by the 1840s (this also takes into account that countries such as the UK and especially Germany for example still had far more people than the USA in the early/mid 19th century too). This further puts more weight towards the 1st industrial revolution being more changeful. So to answer the question. I think that the 1st industrial revolution was the most changeful event in the past 1000 years (for the west). Again, you do have countries such as China and India that didn't industrialize until much much later.
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Post by astropoug on Mar 16, 2022 10:51:06 GMT 10
Which one? There were two. Depends where you lived. In the UK, the 1st industrial revolution was definitely more changeful. In the USA, it would be more the 2nd (late 1800s). Overall, I would put more weight on the 1st industrial revolution, as it seems more like a turning point rather than the 2nd. Also, the US wasn't really a massively populated country nor a true super power until the late 19th century (which is likely why it was more affected by the 2nd industrial revolution). Much of Europe was already pretty industrialized by the 1840s (this also takes into account that counries such as the UK and especially Germany for example still had far more people than the USA in the early/mid 19th century too). This further puts more weight towards the 1st industrial revolution being more changeful. So to answer the question. I think that the 1st industrial revolution was the most changeful event in the past 1000 years (for the west). Again, you do have countries such as China and India that didn't industrialize until much much later. Or even Russia, who arguably didn't truly industrialize until the rise of the Soviets.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Mar 16, 2022 11:41:26 GMT 10
Depends where you lived. In the UK, the 1st industrial revolution was definitely more changeful. In the USA, it would be more the 2nd (late 1800s). Overall, I would put more weight on the 1st industrial revolution, as it seems more like a turning point rather than the 2nd. Also, the US wasn't really a massively populated country nor a true super power until the late 19th century (which is likely why it was more affected by the 2nd industrial revolution). Much of Europe was already pretty industrialized by the 1840s (this also takes into account that counries such as the UK and especially Germany for example still had far more people than the USA in the early/mid 19th century too). This further puts more weight towards the 1st industrial revolution being more changeful. So to answer the question. I think that the 1st industrial revolution was the most changeful event in the past 1000 years (for the west). Again, you do have countries such as China and India that didn't industrialize until much much later. Or even Russia, who arguably didn't truly industrialize until the rise of the Soviets. Yes indeed. The Russian Empire was far behind the rest of Europe around the turn of the 20th century. It didn't see most of its industrialization until the 1930s.
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Post by TheUser98 on Mar 16, 2022 15:36:21 GMT 10
Which one? There were two. Overall, I would put more weight on the 1st industrial revolution, as it seems more like a turning point rather than the 2nd. Also, the US wasn't really a massively populated country nor a true super power until the late 19th century (which is likely why it was more affected by the 2nd industrial revolution). Are you referring to the Gilded Age here?
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Post by jaydawg89 on Mar 16, 2022 15:41:23 GMT 10
Overall, I would put more weight on the 1st industrial revolution, as it seems more like a turning point rather than the 2nd. Also, the US wasn't really a massively populated country nor a true super power until the late 19th century (which is likely why it was more affected by the 2nd industrial revolution). Are you referring to the Gilded Age here? Well, yeah.
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Post by TheUser98 on Mar 16, 2022 16:35:16 GMT 10
Are you referring to the Gilded Age here? Well, yeah. I just thought I’d mention it because despite it being one of more important parts of US history, it’s surprisingly overlooked.
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Post by 10slover on Mar 16, 2022 20:22:18 GMT 10
Obviously the 2000s, what even is this question
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Post by jaydawg89 on Mar 16, 2022 20:36:39 GMT 10
Obviously the 2000s, what even is this question Would you explain your view? I'm actually interested in hearing it.
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Post by 10slover on Mar 16, 2022 23:37:58 GMT 10
Obviously the 2000s, what even is this question Would you explain your view? I'm actually interested in hearing it. C'mon, there was a freaking world war between 1920 and 1969, TVs weren't mainstream 1920s, music industry was completely different. The US wasn't the world's most powerful country, the British empire was still very powerful. Rock n roll didn't exist in the 60s, neither did eletronic music (it wasn't popular in the 60s, but at least it existed) 60s technology has wayyyy more in comon with 00s technology than with 1920s tech, computer's didn't even exist in the 1920s. The 60s had the Arpanet (the precursor to the internet). Movies were still silent until the late 1920s. In the 2000s and 1960s space exploration was a real thing... we had sent people to the moon in the 60s, and there was a giant human-made space station orbiting the earth (ISS) in the 2000s. in the 1920s, space exploration was science fiction and we hadn't even sent any artiticial satellite to space and we were just starting to play with the idea of rockets (it would take until 1942 for any man-made object to reach space). NASA didn't even exist. Steam powered stuff was still around in the 1920s (dying but still common). And don't get me started on civil rights, i know this is only true about the second half of the 60s but the abolishment of segregation (1964) was pretty much impossible in the 1920s.
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Post by mc98 on Mar 17, 2022 0:11:31 GMT 10
Would you explain your view? I'm actually interested in hearing it. C'mon, there was a freaking world war between 1920 and 1969, TVs weren't mainstream 1920s, music industry was completely different. The US wasn't the world's most powerful country, the British empire was still very powerful. Rock n roll didn't exist in the 60s, neither did eletronic music (it wasn't popular in the 60s, but at least it existed) 60s technology has wayyyy more in comon with 00s technology than with 1920s tech, computer's didn't even exist in the 1920s. The 60s had the Arpanet (the precursor to the internet). Movies were still silent until the late 1920s. In the 2000s and 1960s space exploration was a real thing... we had sent people to the moon in the 60s, and there was a giant human-made space station orbiting the earth (ISS) in the 2000s. in the 1920s, space exploration was science fiction and we hadn't even sent any artiticial satellite to space and we were just starting to play with the idea of rockets (it would take until 1942 for any man-made object to reach space). NASA didn't even exist. Steam powered stuff was still around in the 1920s (dying but still common). And don't get me started on civil rights, i know this is only true about the second half of the 60s but the abolishment of segregation (1964) was pretty much impossible in the 1920s. Are you talking about the 1920s? Because rock was the most popular genre of the 60s.
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