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Post by 10slover on Mar 17, 2022 0:51:10 GMT 10
C'mon, there was a freaking world war between 1920 and 1969, TVs weren't mainstream 1920s, music industry was completely different. The US wasn't the world's most powerful country, the British empire was still very powerful. Rock n roll didn't exist in the 60s, neither did eletronic music (it wasn't popular in the 60s, but at least it existed) 60s technology has wayyyy more in comon with 00s technology than with 1920s tech, computer's didn't even exist in the 1920s. The 60s had the Arpanet (the precursor to the internet). Movies were still silent until the late 1920s. In the 2000s and 1960s space exploration was a real thing... we had sent people to the moon in the 60s, and there was a giant human-made space station orbiting the earth (ISS) in the 2000s. in the 1920s, space exploration was science fiction and we hadn't even sent any artiticial satellite to space and we were just starting to play with the idea of rockets (it would take until 1942 for any man-made object to reach space). NASA didn't even exist. Steam powered stuff was still around in the 1920s (dying but still common). And don't get me started on civil rights, i know this is only true about the second half of the 60s but the abolishment of segregation (1964) was pretty much impossible in the 1920s. Are you talking about the 1920s? Because rock was the most popular genre of the 60s. Yes
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Post by jaydawg89 on Mar 17, 2022 11:56:18 GMT 10
Would you explain your view? I'm actually interested in hearing it. C'mon, there was a freaking world war between 1920 and 1969, TVs weren't mainstream 1920s, music industry was completely different. The US wasn't the world's most powerful country, the British empire was still very powerful. Rock n roll didn't exist in the 60s, neither did eletronic music (it wasn't popular in the 60s, but at least it existed) 60s technology has wayyyy more in comon with 00s technology than with 1920s tech, computer's didn't even exist in the 1920s. The 60s had the Arpanet (the precursor to the internet). Movies were still silent until the late 1920s. In the 2000s and 1960s space exploration was a real thing... we had sent people to the moon in the 60s, and there was a giant human-made space station orbiting the earth (ISS) in the 2000s. in the 1920s, space exploration was science fiction and we hadn't even sent any artiticial satellite to space and we were just starting to play with the idea of rockets (it would take until 1942 for any man-made object to reach space). NASA didn't even exist. Steam powered stuff was still around in the 1920s (dying but still common). And don't get me started on civil rights, i know this is only true about the second half of the 60s but the abolishment of segregation (1964) was pretty much impossible in the 1920s. With one of your points, the USA was already the most powerful country in the world by the 1920s. Yes, the British were more influential in the 20s than the 60s but, the USA was already number 1 at that point. This also doesn't take into consideration, the rise of power China had seen in the 2000s (which has had a big impact on modern economics). The music industry between the 1960s and 2000s were completely different too, electronics in music was not very common in the 1960s at all but, was everywhere in the 2000s (especially with Hip Hop, which was the biggest genre of the 00s), another point is also the rise of Hip Hop. The technology is a point where I disagree too, everyday life in the 1960s was probably more like the 1920s for the average Joe, despite advancements. Essentially no one used computers in the 1960s (typewriters dominated the workforce still), as a matter of fact most people still worked physical jobs and not sedentary jobs (just like the 1920s), there was no internet for the average person (people who have lived their whole lives with internet access really underestimate the impact it has had). The thing is, computers and internet (which was only around in 1969 for the US Military) only existed, at the time it had little to no affect on like 99% of the general population. Between the 60s and 00s, we also saw the rise of computer/interactive entertainment (video games). The rise of television is a good point, even though we only had like 3 channels. Movies being silent in the 1920s is a good point too but, that doesn't take into account the change cinema also saw between the 1960s and 2000s (nearly all of the Blockbuster hits of the 2000s wouldn't have been possible in the 1960s). I definitely agree with your point on space exploration though, as it wasn't even on the drawing boards in the 1920s. In the 20s, passenger planes were new as well and Jet Planes and Helicopters didn't even exist. The sending of satellites is a good point too. One aspect of the 60s that does seem closer to the 00s though is transportation (which I'm surprised you didn't fully mention). Automobiles saw leaps and bounds in perfomance between the 1920s and 60s (just compare the Ford Model T to the muscle cars of the 60s), most people traveled to different cities and countries by plane in the 60s (in the 1920s it was by far mostly steam train and steamship). Civil rights is a good point (and social changes in general). This doesn't fully take into consideration the big social changes we also saw between the 1960s and 2000s.
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Post by astropoug on Mar 17, 2022 12:09:21 GMT 10
C'mon, there was a freaking world war between 1920 and 1969, TVs weren't mainstream 1920s, music industry was completely different. The US wasn't the world's most powerful country, the British empire was still very powerful. Rock n roll didn't exist in the 60s, neither did eletronic music (it wasn't popular in the 60s, but at least it existed) 60s technology has wayyyy more in comon with 00s technology than with 1920s tech, computer's didn't even exist in the 1920s. The 60s had the Arpanet (the precursor to the internet). Movies were still silent until the late 1920s. In the 2000s and 1960s space exploration was a real thing... we had sent people to the moon in the 60s, and there was a giant human-made space station orbiting the earth (ISS) in the 2000s. in the 1920s, space exploration was science fiction and we hadn't even sent any artiticial satellite to space and we were just starting to play with the idea of rockets (it would take until 1942 for any man-made object to reach space). NASA didn't even exist. Steam powered stuff was still around in the 1920s (dying but still common). And don't get me started on civil rights, i know this is only true about the second half of the 60s but the abolishment of segregation (1964) was pretty much impossible in the 1920s. With one of your points, the USA was already the most powerful country in the world by the 1920s. Yes, the British were more influential in the 20s than the 60s but, the USA was already number 1 at that point. This also doesn't take into consideration, the rise of power China had seen in the 2000s (which has had a big impact on modern economics). The music industry between the 1960s and 2000s were completely different too, electronics in music was not very common in the 1960s at all but, was everywhere in the 2000s (especially with Hip Hop, which was the biggest genre of the 00s), another point is also the rise of Hip Hop. The technology is a point where I disagree too, everyday life in the 1960s was probably more like the 1920s for the average Joe, despite advancements. Essentially no one used computers in the 1960s (typewriters dominated the workforce still), as a matter of fact most people still worked physical jobs and not sedentary jobs (just like the 1920s), there was no internet for the average person (people who have lived their whole lives with internet access really underestimate the impact it has had). The thing is, computers and internet (which was only around in 1969 for the US Military) only existed, at the time it had little to no affect on like 99% of the general population. Between the 60s and 00s, we also saw the rise of computer/interactive entertainment (video games). The rise of television is a good point, even though we only had like 3 channels. Movies being silent in the 1920s is a good point too but, that doesn't take into account the change cinema also saw between the 1960s and 2000s (nearly all of the Blockbuster hits of the 2000s wouldn't have been possible in the 1960s). I definitely agree with your point on space exploration though, as it wasn't even on the drawing boards in the 1920s. In the 20s, passenger planes were new as well and Jet Planes and Helicopters didn't even exist. The sending of satellites is a good point too. One aspect of the 60s that does seem closer to the 00s though is transportation (which I'm surprised you didn't fully mention). Automobiles saw leaps and bounds in perfomance between the 1920s and 60s (just compare the Ford Model T to the muscle cars of the 60s), most people traveled to different cities and countries by plane in the 60s (in the 1920s it was by far mostly steam train and steamship). Civil rights is a good point (and social changes in general). This doesn't fully take into consideration the big social changes we also saw between the 1960s and 2000s. I actually think the music of the 60s was closer to the 2000s for the most part, the main difference being we listened to music with vinyl in the 60s, and with CDs and MP3s in the 2000s. Rock music was very popular in both. I think movies in the 60s are transitional between the 20s and 00s. You have to consider that movies in the 20s were all silent black-and-white films, mostly Westerns. 60s was the transition between Golden Age Hollywood and New Hollywood, and the 2000s was CGI Blockbuster films. All three are extremely different from each other. Now, if we were asking whether movies in the 60s were more like the 30s or 90s, I'd go with the 30s, hands down. I still think people in the 60s behaved more like 20s people than 00s people. You didn't see people like us arguing on internet forums like you would eventually see in the 00s.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Mar 17, 2022 12:18:24 GMT 10
With one of your points, the USA was already the most powerful country in the world by the 1920s. Yes, the British were more influential in the 20s than the 60s but, the USA was already number 1 at that point. This also doesn't take into consideration, the rise of power China had seen in the 2000s (which has had a big impact on modern economics). The music industry between the 1960s and 2000s were completely different too, electronics in music was not very common in the 1960s at all but, was everywhere in the 2000s (especially with Hip Hop, which was the biggest genre of the 00s), another point is also the rise of Hip Hop. The technology is a point where I disagree too, everyday life in the 1960s was probably more like the 1920s for the average Joe, despite advancements. Essentially no one used computers in the 1960s (typewriters dominated the workforce still), as a matter of fact most people still worked physical jobs and not sedentary jobs (just like the 1920s), there was no internet for the average person (people who have lived their whole lives with internet access really underestimate the impact it has had). The thing is, computers and internet (which was only around in 1969 for the US Military) only existed, at the time it had little to no affect on like 99% of the general population. Between the 60s and 00s, we also saw the rise of computer/interactive entertainment (video games). The rise of television is a good point, even though we only had like 3 channels. Movies being silent in the 1920s is a good point too but, that doesn't take into account the change cinema also saw between the 1960s and 2000s (nearly all of the Blockbuster hits of the 2000s wouldn't have been possible in the 1960s). I definitely agree with your point on space exploration though, as it wasn't even on the drawing boards in the 1920s. In the 20s, passenger planes were new as well and Jet Planes and Helicopters didn't even exist. The sending of satellites is a good point too. One aspect of the 60s that does seem closer to the 00s though is transportation (which I'm surprised you didn't fully mention). Automobiles saw leaps and bounds in perfomance between the 1920s and 60s (just compare the Ford Model T to the muscle cars of the 60s), most people traveled to different cities and countries by plane in the 60s (in the 1920s it was by far mostly steam train and steamship). Civil rights is a good point (and social changes in general). This doesn't fully take into consideration the big social changes we also saw between the 1960s and 2000s. I actually think the music of the 60s was closer to the 2000s for the most part, the main difference being we listened to music with vinyl in the 60s, and with CDs and MP3s in the 2000s. Rock music was very popular in both. I think movies in the 60s are transitional between the 20s and 00s. You have to consider that movies in the 20s were all silent black-and-white films, mostly Westerns. 60s was the transition between Golden Age Hollywood and New Hollywood, and the 2000s was CGI Blockbuster films. All three are extremely different from each other. Now, if we were asking whether movies in the 60s were more like the 30s or 90s, I'd go with the 30s, hands down. I still think people in the 60s behaved more like 20s people than 00s people. You didn't see people like us arguing on internet forums like you would eventually see in the 00s. I agree with your points, especially with the movies, I think the 60s are 50/50 between the 20s and 00s, you have already described why pretty well so I won't get into that. The jump between the 1920s and 30s is huge for cinema. Your point about the music I can sorta see, one change between the 1920s and 60s that gets overlooked is the sound quality, it was very tinny and muffled in the 20s and already very clear in the 60s. Your last point is probably true too lol.
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