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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 7:04:51 GMT 10
Also, this may have been more local to me, but a lot of pop culture pre-COVID involved fine dining and downtown night life. Now, the service industry is a shambles, so there goes fine dining, hotels, most brick and mortar stores, bars and clubs, etc. This is a big deal. I think a lot of this will come back as we get closer to 2030 but it's going to take a while. This is one way I think the 2010s is our century's "Roaring 20s" and the 2020s is the new Great Depression. When the Jazz age ended, the party stopped. Our 1929 was 2019. The vibrant downtowns, street festivals, "eat and drink local" culture that was distinct to the 2010s isn't going to exist much this decade.
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Post by slashpop on Jan 25, 2021 7:32:34 GMT 10
If Biden does nothing that significantly shapes, impacts, or shifts 2010s pop culture towards the 2020s then nothing he does will have any bearing on 2020s pop culture maybe not even on pop culture in general, to be honest he feels like just another president he doesn’t have the never been done before appeal of the last two. Not every president has an impact on pop culture Obama era had a greater overall influence on 2010s pop culture from start to the current than trump though. Trump barely had much of impact in changing the foundation era for everyone in the same way Obama did. Most Obama era impacts continued on and co existed in the trump era. I feel like Trump did change the culture a bit although not in a direct way. The late 2010s were a lot more materialistic than the early 2010s. You had influencers and people were 'flexing' by buying up expensive brand items. "Gucci gang" stuff. Things looked a lot more refined. Early 2020s already feel quite different from the late 2010s to me in so many ways. I don't really listen to radio music anymore though. Like a blind man whose hearing becomes sharper, I've become more attuned to other changes that are going on instead. The world of the late 2010s is history tbh. The mid 2010s and late 2010s( today) are both materialistic people still have the materialistic attitude it’s just a bit less obvious in the last 10 months strictly because of pandemic, it’s more behind closed doors or a bit less at most. Also trump was president just recently, his followers and their influence are still here and the late 2010s vibe related to the alt right or populist conversative culture never shaped the base or overall pop culture for almost everyone like the liberalism of the Obama era, but the trump era coexisted with liberalism in so many ways that started in the Obama era. Also the trump energy and influence has lessened but has not been erased or dated yet. None of things you guys have listed has actually changed the overall actual make up of pop culture enough to call it a different era, beyond numerical progression 2019 is nearly identical to the current day with some very very minor differences. There hasn’t been a single thing that has altered the overall pop culture vibe to shift us into a distinct new period since then. 2017-2018 had a tiny bit more visible dying but hanging mid and some core 2010s culture left, and more political divisiveness related to the early Trump era and at most late 2018 very early 2019 to a much lesser extent , since then it’s mostly been similar to the current period. That’s the most
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 7:44:33 GMT 10
^^^ slashpop do you consider yourself mostly an introvert? Do you primarily judge pop culture by music and Internet culture?
The death of the vibrant 2010s culture centered around nightlife, downtown living, eating and drinking local, food trucks, street festivals, faux artsy culture, etc is a huge thing that sets 2020-Present apart from the late 2010s.
If you are an introvert who mostly lives your life online, I can understand not seeing that change but for many of us, the late 2010s seems like another planet. One that's too good to be true at that.
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Post by y2kbaby on Jan 25, 2021 7:46:03 GMT 10
Yup! IMO, now that the Democrats control the Senate, if they impeached 45(which could happen), the entire 2010s would be distinct. The Roaring 2020s will happen. You mean removed? Impeachment basically means that a federal official gets indicted on charges and is set on trial, which in this case will happen on February 9th. Yup removed.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 25, 2021 7:51:03 GMT 10
The mid 2010s and late 2010s( today) are both materialistic people still have the materialistic attitude it’s just a bit less obvious in the last 10 months because of pandemic, it’s more behind closed doors or a bit less at most . None of things you guys have listed has actually changed the overall actual make up of pop culture enough to call it a different era, beyond numerical progression 2019 is nearly identical to the current day with some very very minor differences. There hasn’t been a single thing that has altered the overall pop culture vibe to shift us into a distinct new period since then. 2017-2018 had a tiny bit more more visible dying but hanging mid and some core 2010s culture left, and more political divisiveness related to the early Trump era and at most late 2018 very early 2019 to some small extent possibly, it’s mostly similar to the current period. That’s the most I completely agree with this. The Chainsmokers' "#Selfie" was one of the biggest hits of 2014, and it's essentially the epitome of the excess culture of the mid 2010s. But going back to this topic, despite the huge amount of societal change that has occurred since the declaration of COVID-19 as a pandemic, we really aren't too far removed from the late 2010s. If it weren't for the pandemic and Joe Biden being the US President, there would be nothing else that would truly separate us from 2016-2019. Not to say those two things aren't significant, of course, but the culture itself has largely remained the same. Even the Marvel Cinematic Universe is still dominating the film industry, "Wonder Woman 1984" was the most-watched straight-to-streaming movie of 2020. Mumble-rap is the most popular genre on the charts as it had been during the late 2010s and alt-pop is still performing well on the charts too, as has been proven with "Drivers License" becoming a huge overnight success.
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Post by slashpop on Jan 25, 2021 8:13:56 GMT 10
^^^ slashpop do you consider yourself mostly an introvert? Do you primarily judge pop culture by music and Internet culture? The death of the vibrant 2010s culture centered around nightlife, downtown living, eating and drinking local, food trucks, street festivals, faux artsy culture, etc is a huge thing that sets 2020-Present apart from the late 2010s. If you are an introvert who mostly lives your life online, I can understand not seeing that change but for many of us, the late 2010s seems like another planet. One that's too good to be true at that. No I’m not an introvert. I’ve never judged pop culture just by music and internet culture lol. I’m barely into Internet culture. I can’t stand social media culture. I mostly use it for work. You probably know more about the latest viral things, celebrity news and social media happenings, online pop charts and bands. Things like nightlife, food trucks, street festivals, faux artsy culture doesn’t have anything to do with pop culture or shift in pop culture other than possibly reflecting some of it or possibly reflecting some of it when a change occurs. You could say a lot of these things indeed did peak and were somewhat more unique in the 2010s however many are still existing while others aren’t but regardless they are still not the base elements of what defines pop culture in the first place. “If you an Introvert who mostly lives your life online” what are you even talking about. I’m not going to even react.Totally baseless and odd and a bit rude, even if it wasn’t intended. It’s kinda of odd to assume things when you yourself have been claiming you are in the closet and in a religious household/area and possibly unable to fully experience some of these things you have mentioned. I could be wrong but I wish you the best. Just a strange assumption imo. I’d agree I prefer hanging out in a pre covid atmosphere where I can visit more food trucks and go out more often drinking often however none of that means pop culture isn’t different though. “The death of the vibrant 2010s culture centered around nightlife, downtown living, eating and drinking local, food trucks, street festivals, faux artsy culture, etc is a huge thing that sets 2020- present apart from the late 2010s. Again the lack of this has nothing to do with pop culture Pop culture is a combination of fashion, popular graphics, popular film style, music, social attitudes, tech trends and the like that forms a particular zeitgeist. Late 2010s seeming like another planet has little to do with popular culture.
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Post by smartboi on Jan 25, 2021 9:38:51 GMT 10
The definition of pop culture on Wikipedia is "Popular culture is generally recognized by members of a society as a set of the practices, beliefs, and objects that are dominant or prevalent in a society at a given point in time." It doesn't only mean the media you consume. Practically everyone's lifestyle has seen a change since March of last year. But also its pretty common for people to use 9/11 as "the end of the 90's", so why doesn't covid mark the end of the 2010's?
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Post by rainbow on Jan 25, 2021 9:58:21 GMT 10
The definition of pop culture on Wikipedia is "Popular culture is generally recognized by members of a society as a set of the practices, beliefs, and objects that are dominant or prevalent in a society at a given point in time." It doesn't only mean the media you consume. Practically everyone's lifestyle has seen a change since March of last year. But also its pretty common for people to use 9/11 as "the end of the 90's", so why doesn't covid mark the end of the 2010's? Nobody is saying that pop culture is only the media we consume, but it’s not like 2010’s culture completely ended on March 13, 2020. COVID is more comparable to the 2008 Recession than 9/11. There’s a reason why most people call 2008 a transitional year and not a cultural 2010’s year. Despite the Recession, the fashion and music was still overwhelmingly 2000’s. People *do* pay attention to these things believe it or not. You can say these are just “little” things that don’t matter as much as a pandemic, but these “little” things all make up pop culture as a whole. And the fact that music hasn’t changed since the late 2010’s is why I call 2020 a transitional year. It’s a transitional year because we have a pandemic impacting our culture, but music and fashion are still exactly the same as it was in the late 2010’s. You can say that COVID marked the beginning of the cultural early 2020’s, which would make sense, but it didn’t mark the complete end of the cultural late 2010’s IMO.
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Post by mc98 on Jan 25, 2021 10:03:36 GMT 10
Anything after March 2020 doesn't seem purely late 2010s anymore. 2020 as a whole was transitional at best.
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Post by rainbow on Jan 25, 2021 10:21:33 GMT 10
Anything after March 2020 doesn't seem purely late 2010s anymore. 2020 as a whole was transitional at best. I’m just saying that COVID didn’t mark the complete end of the cultural late 2010’s. There were still way too many late 2010’s aspects to call it a full on cultural early 2020’s year. At the same time, we have a pandemic and it isn’t the same as say 2018, so it’s a transitional year. But it’s annoying when people act like pop culture is a light switch and think that COVID alone ended all 2010’s culture and the early 2020’s began right there and then. Not saying anyone here said that, but that’s certainly what people think on inthe00s. These are the same people who said in 2017 that pop culture hasn’t changed much since late 2008.
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Post by mc98 on Jan 25, 2021 10:46:32 GMT 10
Anything after March 2020 doesn't seem purely late 2010s anymore. 2020 as a whole was transitional at best. I’m just saying that COVID didn’t mark the complete end of the cultural late 2010’s. There were still way too many late 2010’s aspects to call it a full on cultural early 2020’s year. At the same time, we have a pandemic and it isn’t the same as say 2018, so it’s a transitional year. But it’s annoying when people act like pop culture is a light switch and think that COVID alone ended all 2010’s culture and the early 2020’s began right there and then. Not saying anyone here said that, but that’s certainly what people think on inthe00s. These are the same people who said in 2017 that pop culture hasn’t changed much since late 2008. Exactly, shifts and transitions are gradual. Like you said, pop culture is not like light switches. The early 2010s didn't suddenly started in late 2008, it takes time for a new era to develop into it's identity.
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Post by smartboi on Jan 25, 2021 12:39:07 GMT 10
The definition of pop culture on Wikipedia is "Popular culture is generally recognized by members of a society as a set of the practices, beliefs, and objects that are dominant or prevalent in a society at a given point in time." It doesn't only mean the media you consume. Practically everyone's lifestyle has seen a change since March of last year. But also its pretty common for people to use 9/11 as "the end of the 90's", so why doesn't covid mark the end of the 2010's? Nobody is saying that pop culture is only the media we consume, but it’s not like 2010’s culture completely ended on March 13, 2020. COVID is more comparable to the 2008 Recession than 9/11. There’s a reason why most people call 2008 a transitional year and not a cultural 2010’s year. Despite the Recession, the fashion and music was still overwhelmingly 2000’s. People *do* pay attention to these things believe it or not. You can say these are just “little” things that don’t matter as much as a pandemic, but these “little” things all make up pop culture as a whole. And the fact that music hasn’t changed since the late 2010’s is why I call 2020 a transitional year. It’s a transitional year because we have a pandemic impacting our culture, but music and fashion are still exactly the same as it was in the late 2010’s. You can say that COVID marked the beginning of the cultural early 2020’s, which would make sense, but it didn’t mark the complete end of the cultural late 2010’s IMO. I would still argue that we witnessed and immediate shift last year. A transition implies that we start with one thing and it slowly morphs into something else. Lockdown/quarantine began fairly suddenly during March and April and provided no time for a gradual transition to happen (along with the other crazy shit that happened in 2020). And as of right now its clear that we're in for the long haul with Covid. So yes late 2010's attributes are still here, but they're kinda just awkwardly lingering since they don't really have an opportunity to significantly grow/change. The mood and atmosphere of that era is completely gone. The pandemic likely won't end until late this year or the beginning of 2022, meaning Covid will be at least half of the main identity of the early 20's. To say that the late 2010's lasted until 2022 solely because the fashion, music, and movies changed seems tone deaf.
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Post by slashpop on Jan 25, 2021 14:40:15 GMT 10
The mid 2010s and late 2010s( today) are both materialistic people still have the materialistic attitude it’s just a bit less obvious in the last 10 months strictly because of pandemic, it’s more behind closed doors or a bit less at most. Also trump was president just recently, his followers and their influence are still here and the late 2010s vibe related to the alt right or populist conversative culture never shaped the base or overall pop culture for almost everyone like the liberalism of the Obama era, but the trump era coexisted with liberalism in so many ways that started in the Obama era. Also the trump energy and influence has lessened but has not been erased or dated yet. None of things you guys have listed has actually changed the overall actual make up of pop culture enough to call it a different era, beyond numerical progression 2019 is nearly identical to the current day with some very very minor differences. There hasn’t been a single thing that has altered the overall pop culture vibe to shift us into a distinct new period since then. 2017-2018 had a tiny bit more visible dying but hanging mid and some core 2010s culture left, and more political divisiveness related to the early Trump era and at most late 2018 very early 2019 to a much lesser extent , since then it’s mostly been similar to the current period. That’s the most I agree that there's a lot of lingering late 2010s influences that will stay through 2022 or 2023. 2017-2018 had lingering core 2010s culture, which I don't think disappeared until late 2018-early 2019. I would say we are in the same era as 2019. I wouldn’t say lingering influences as that would imply we are in a different era
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 25, 2021 16:15:34 GMT 10
To say that the late 2010's lasted until 2022 solely because the fashion, music, and movies changed seems tone deaf. But those things you mentioned are still significant in their own right, we can't just choose to look the other way and not take note of the fact that the music, movies and fashion trends are no different from what they were during the late 2010s. Why should 2020/21 be any different when we judge other eras by their pop cultural trends? Pop culture still exists, even if the way in which we are interacting with it has changed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 0:07:04 GMT 10
To say that the late 2010's lasted until 2022 solely because the fashion, music, and movies changed seems tone deaf. But those things you mentioned are still significant in their own right, we can't just choose to look the other way and not take note of the fact that the music, movies and fashion trends are no different from what they were during the late 2010s. Why should 2020/21 be any different when we judge other eras by their pop cultural trends? Pop culture still exists, even if the way in which we are interacting with it has changed. I just can't see a carefree year like 2019 with a good economy and vibrant social life to 2021, which has the worst economy of any of our lifetimes (with economic ruin likely lasting the remainder of this decade), the entire world is shut down and everything is ruined, and all that's left is social media and Internet culture. I do wonder when music and fashion is going to change. No social events should already be having an impact on fashion I would think.
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