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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 23, 2021 13:55:03 GMT 10
Yeah pretty much. Late 2003 & early 2004 was mostly the early 2000s with some mid 00s stuff thrown into the mix (such as Digital Cameras, LCD Monitors, Flip Phones, 50 Cent, Crunk, Paris Hilton...). yupp the transition was so long and drawn out lol if you really think about it That's actually a reason why I put 2002 and 2005 as a big gap for three years. 2002 still has ties to the late 90s (though, still distinct from the late 90s) but, 2005 on the otherhand, you can already find the earliest cracks of the 2010s such as Wikipedia becoming popular, the start of Youtube, social media such as Myspace, 2nd wave of gentrification that happened gradually between 2004 - 2010ish (1992 - 1996 was the first wave), the earliest Hipsters...
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Post by slashpop on Apr 24, 2021 2:02:06 GMT 10
1996 to 1999 is the biggest one
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 24, 2021 13:47:49 GMT 10
1996 to 1999 is the biggest one That was a pretty big change too (I'm surprised I forgot about it honestly). Especially with the Dot-Com boom (computers sales booming and internet penetration saw its biggest increase ever in that period), rise of 3D game consoles, the rise of cell phones and so on. Computing power was also advancing REALLY quickly in 1998-1999, you had to upgrade your computer like every 18 months or it would pretty much become unusable lol. Fashion went from earthy colors to neon colors, fashion also became more gendered in the late 90s (I feel like casual fashion in the early-mid 90s and even the 80s to an extent was quite unisex compared to other eras). Hip Hop went from gangsta rap/G-Funk (such as Tupac, Biggie, Chronic era Dr. Dre & Snoop Dogg...) to pretty much typical early 2000s hip hop (such as Juvenile, Jay Z, Eminem, DMX, Puff Daddy...). Bubblegum Pop exploded (I think everyone knows that one). TV was fully pushing boundaries with shows such as South Park, Attitude era WWF and The Jerry Springer Show (I know this was around in 1996 but, it boomed in ratings in 1997/98). 1999 itself was a very changeful year for cinema, with movies such as Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace (at the time, the CGI and special effects was impressive despite being quite a weak movie overall IMO), The Matrix (for obvious reasons lmao), American Pie (pretty much set the template for 2000s era comedy movies) and so on.
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Post by slashpop on Apr 26, 2021 1:40:02 GMT 10
1.1996 to 1999
2.1995 to 1998
3.1966 to 1969
4.1964 to 1967
5.1986 to 1989
6.1985 to 1988
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 26, 2021 14:09:06 GMT 10
1.1996 to 1999 2.1995 to 1998 3.1966 to 1969 4.1964 to 1967 5.1986 to 1989 6.1985 to 1988 I definitely agree with the 80s and 90s ones. I'm not entirely sure about the 60s ones though tbh.
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Post by slashpop on Apr 26, 2021 14:16:50 GMT 10
1.1996 to 1999 2.1995 to 1998 3.1966 to 1969 4.1964 to 1967 5.1986 to 1989 6.1985 to 1988 I definitely agree with the 80s and 90s ones. I'm not entirely sure about the 60s ones though tbh. 60s definitely more flower power, liberal, sex openness and freethinking on a mass level compared to earlier 66 ( even though 66 was to some extent late) and 64 which still had a lot of early 60s and 50s influence. Also tech was starting to lean closer to the 70s by 68-69.
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Post by slashpop on Apr 26, 2021 14:35:37 GMT 10
1.1996 to 1999 2.1995 to 1998 3.1966 to 1969 4.1964 to 1967 5.1986 to 1989 6.1985 to 1988 I definitely agree with the 80s and 90s ones. I'm not entirely sure about the 60s ones though tbh. The second half of 1988 has enough incoming 90s elements (some of which would last until 1996-97 at the very most) infused into late 80s culture that stick out compared to anything in 1985. Summer 89-summer 90 already had things like maybe a few people in any given group sporting ( still not by 91 to 98 standards) curtained hair, soul patches, slightly baggier pants, earth color patellete, Sega genesis, black box TVs, CD walkmans, people who look grunge before grunge is a thing, things like the Simpsons getting popular even before the full episodes are aired, becoming more of thing overall which barely existed in 1986. River Phoenix in 1988:  Keanu reeves in 1989: 
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Post by mc98 on Apr 26, 2021 14:51:57 GMT 10
I definitely agree with the 80s and 90s ones. I'm not entirely sure about the 60s ones though tbh. 60s definitely more flower power, liberal, sex openness and freethinking on a mass level compared to earlier 66 ( even though 66 was to some extent late) and 64 which still had a lot of early 60s and 50s influence. Also tech was starting to lean closer to the 70s by 68-69. Here's how I view the 60s: 1960: Still looks 50s. 1961: Minor differences but no changes. 1962: Early 60s starting to take shape. 1963: Already distinct enough from the 50s. 1964: The real 60s began with early 60s/50s remnants. 1965: Swingin 60s with mods/Beatle hair being common. 1966: The peak of mod era and beginning of the psychedelic era. 1967: Hippies appearing. Honestly the peak year of the 60s 1968: Pretty much what everyone thinks about the 60s. 1969: Same with 1968 but early 70s influence creeping in.
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Post by slashpop on Apr 26, 2021 15:16:35 GMT 10
60s definitely more flower power, liberal, sex openness and freethinking on a mass level compared to earlier 66 ( even though 66 was to some extent late) and 64 which still had a lot of early 60s and 50s influence. Also tech was starting to lean closer to the 70s by 68-69. Here's how I view the 60s: 1960: Still looks 50s. 1961: Minor differences but no changes. 1962: Early 60s starting to take shape. 1963: Already distinct enough from the 50s. 1964: The real 60s began with early 60s/50s remnants. 1965: Swingin 60s with mods/Beatle hair being common. 1966: The peak of mod era and beginning of the psychedelic era. 1967: Hippies appearing. Honestly the peak year of the 60s 1968: Pretty much what everyone thinks about the 60s. 1969: Same with 1968 but early 70s influence creeping in. I pretty much agree. Spot on.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 26, 2021 18:19:01 GMT 10
60s definitely more flower power, liberal, sex openness and freethinking on a mass level compared to earlier 66 ( even though 66 was to some extent late) and 64 which still had a lot of early 60s and 50s influence. Also tech was starting to lean closer to the 70s by 68-69. Here's how I view the 60s: 1960: Still looks 50s. 1961: Minor differences but no changes. 1962: Early 60s starting to take shape. 1963: Already distinct enough from the 50s. 1964: The real 60s began with early 60s/50s remnants. 1965: Swingin 60s with mods/Beatle hair being common. 1966: The peak of mod era and beginning of the psychedelic era. 1967: Hippies appearing. Honestly the peak year of the 60s 1968: Pretty much what everyone thinks about the 60s. 1969: Same with 1968 but early 70s influence creeping in. People overrate how common hippies really were, the only reason they got so much attention is because no one had ever seen anything like it. Like, well over 90% of people in their late teens and 20s at the time weren't hippies. Honestly, the 60s seemed 100% set by 1965 and I don't really see anything 50s about it at all (other people seem to think it was connected to the 50s still). Most of the music was British Invasion/Classic Rock, Motown, Folk, Vocal Pop... most the slower/more conservative music of the time wouldn't even sound out of place in the 70s. The fashion already reeked 60s by 1964, mini skirts, beehive and mop top haircuts, black turtlenecks, the minimalist aesthetic (in fashion and design in general). The Hollywood Golden Age had already ended around 1963 and the secret agent obsession of the 60s was well underway after Dr. No had come out. Also, the March on Washington happened in 1963 and the Civil Rights Act had already been passed in 1964, 1963 is also when 2nd wave feminism really kicked off too. To add, the pill was already widely available by 1965 and the whole "free love" attitude was definitely a thing by 1965 too. Also, JFK was assassinated in 1963, this is usually seen as the turning point for the 60s "when America lost its innocence".
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Post by slashpop on Apr 26, 2021 19:09:38 GMT 10
Here's how I view the 60s: 1960: Still looks 50s. 1961: Minor differences but no changes. 1962: Early 60s starting to take shape. 1963: Already distinct enough from the 50s. 1964: The real 60s began with early 60s/50s remnants. 1965: Swingin 60s with mods/Beatle hair being common. 1966: The peak of mod era and beginning of the psychedelic era. 1967: Hippies appearing. Honestly the peak year of the 60s 1968: Pretty much what everyone thinks about the 60s. 1969: Same with 1968 but early 70s influence creeping in. People overrate how common hippies really were, the only reason they got so much attention is because no one had ever seen anything like it. Like, well over 90% of people in their late teens and 20s at the time weren't hippies. Honestly, the 60s seemed 100% set by 1965 and I don't really see anything 50s about it at all (other people seem to think it was connected to the 50s still). Most of the music was British Invasion/Classic Rock, Motown, Folk, Vocal Pop... most the slower/more conservative music of the time wouldn't even sound out of place in the 70s. The fashion already reeked 60s by 1964, mini skirts, beehive and mop top haircuts, black turtlenecks, the minimalist aesthetic (in fashion and design in general). The Hollywood Golden Age had already ended around 1963 and the secret agent obsession of the 60s was well underway after Dr. No had come out. Also, the March on Washington happened in 1963 and the Civil Rights Act had already been passed in 1964, 1963 is also when 2nd wave feminism really kicked off too. To add, the pill was already widely available by 1965 and the whole "free love" attitude was definitely a thing by 1965 too. Also, JFK was assassinated in 1963, this is usually seen as the turning point for the 60s "when America lost its innocence". I think liberal and leftist politics and hippy fashion and attitude definitely influenced the common urban zeitgeist of late 1965-1966 to 1970-1971 across the USA and countries around the world. There was a crossover between mod, the older culture and hippy between 1965 to 1967, maybe to some extent early 1968. The large amount of youth were adopting leftist values, free love and engaging in riots, adopting hippy fashion and attending Woodstock even if many weren’t legitimate hippies. The average person in 1969-1970 tended to dress similar to what hippies tended to look like, even if toned down and had drastically different values compare to 1961-1964. In the early 1960s the beatniks were the earliest hippies before it was mainstream.
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Post by #Infinity on Apr 26, 2021 19:12:49 GMT 10
From an American perspective, 1858-1861 has to be pretty drastic, considering the country was literally split and at war with itself by the latter year. 1864-1867 does not count because the reintegration of the South was more gradual than its original secession.
I may also toss in either 1994-1997 or 1995-1998, considering the change in both the Internet, as well as murky grunge culture starting to give way to flashy Y2K culture (though there was still plenty of post-grunge influence).
1954-1957 is a pretty big change, as 1954 was still dominated by the buttoned-up culture being enforced Lost and G.I. Generations, whereas by 1957 popular culture firmly belonged in the hands of the anti-authority youth, with rock & roll consuming music, James Dean and Marlon Brando emerging the big role models (even though Brando was already famous by 1954), and Jack Kerouac spearheading the literary zeitgeist. This change is particularly seismic because it represents not just a massive change in trends, but a complete shift in how the evolution of popular culture even works, entering the domain of rebellious teenagers instead of moral authority figures. I could push the boundaries back a bit further, to 1953-1956, as that would avoid On the Waterfront being in the starting boundary, but a lot of the post-war cultural decade (1945-1954) was still wrestling for control in 1956 despite Elvis hitting it big that year. On top of everything else, television was on the rise throughout the 1950s, giving families a completely new way to experience entertainment and the news. Not to mention, Sputnik happened in '57.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 26, 2021 19:28:39 GMT 10
From an American perspective, 1858-1861 has to be pretty drastic, considering the country was literally split and at war with itself by the latter year. 1864-1867 does not count because the reintegration of the South was more gradual than its original secession. I may also toss in either 1994-1997 or 1995-1998, considering the change in both the Internet, as well as murky grunge culture starting to give way to flashy Y2K culture (though there was still plenty of post-grunge influence). 1954-1957 is a pretty big change, as 1954 was still dominated by the buttoned-up culture being enforced Lost and G.I. Generations, whereas by 1957 popular culture firmly belonged in the hands of the anti-authority youth, with rock & roll consuming music, James Dean and Marlon Brando emerging the big role models (even though Brando was already famous by 1954), and Jack Kerouac spearheading the literary zeitgeist. This change is particularly seismic because it represents not just a massive change in trends, but a complete shift in how the evolution of popular culture even works, entering the domain of rebellious teenagers instead of moral authority figures. I could push the boundaries back a bit further, to 1953-1956, as that would avoid On the Waterfront being in the starting boundary, but a lot of the post-war cultural decade (1945-1954) was still wrestling for control in 1956 despite Elvis hitting it big that year. On top of everything else, television was on the rise throughout the 1950s, giving families a completely new way to experience entertainment and the news. Not to mention, Sputnik happened in '57. I'm starting to think 1995 to 1998 or 1996 to 1999 was the biggest change in the 20 year period between 1990 - 2010. 1954 - 1957 is a pretty big shift that I'm surprised that no one has mentioned.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 26, 2021 19:37:57 GMT 10
People overrate how common hippies really were, the only reason they got so much attention is because no one had ever seen anything like it. Like, well over 90% of people in their late teens and 20s at the time weren't hippies. Honestly, the 60s seemed 100% set by 1965 and I don't really see anything 50s about it at all (other people seem to think it was connected to the 50s still). Most of the music was British Invasion/Classic Rock, Motown, Folk, Vocal Pop... most the slower/more conservative music of the time wouldn't even sound out of place in the 70s. The fashion already reeked 60s by 1964, mini skirts, beehive and mop top haircuts, black turtlenecks, the minimalist aesthetic (in fashion and design in general). The Hollywood Golden Age had already ended around 1963 and the secret agent obsession of the 60s was well underway after Dr. No had come out. Also, the March on Washington happened in 1963 and the Civil Rights Act had already been passed in 1964, 1963 is also when 2nd wave feminism really kicked off too. To add, the pill was already widely available by 1965 and the whole "free love" attitude was definitely a thing by 1965 too. Also, JFK was assassinated in 1963, this is usually seen as the turning point for the 60s "when America lost its innocence". I think liberal and leftist politics and hippy fashion and attitude definitely influenced the common urban zeitgeist of late 1965-1966 to 1970-1971 across the USA and countries around the world. There was a crossover between mod, the older culture and hippy between 1965 to 1967, maybe to some extent early 1968. The large amount of youth were adopting leftist values, free love and engaging in riots, adopting hippy fashion and attending Woodstock even if many weren’t legitimate hippies. The average person in 1969-1970 tended to dress similar to what hippies tended to look like, even if toned down and had drastically different values compare to 1961-1964. In the early 1960s the beatniks were the earliest hippies before it was mainstream. A lot of young people had already adopted the leftist values and free love attitude in the mid 60s. Also, riots were already a lot more common place in the mid 1960s (starting in 1964) compared to say 1962 (where it pretty much didn't happen at all). The Vietnam War already had a lot of attention too in 1965. I definitely know where you're coming from, 1966 and 1969 did have their differences but, they mostly seem like the same era to me.
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Post by slashpop on Apr 26, 2021 19:44:36 GMT 10
From an American perspective, 1858-1861 has to be pretty drastic, considering the country was literally split and at war with itself by the latter year. 1864-1867 does not count because the reintegration of the South was more gradual than its original secession. I may also toss in either 1994-1997 or 1995-1998, considering the change in both the Internet, as well as murky grunge culture starting to give way to flashy Y2K culture (though there was still plenty of post-grunge influence). 1954-1957 is a pretty big change, as 1954 was still dominated by the buttoned-up culture being enforced Lost and G.I. Generations, whereas by 1957 popular culture firmly belonged in the hands of the anti-authority youth, with rock & roll consuming music, James Dean and Marlon Brando emerging the big role models (even though Brando was already famous by 1954), and Jack Kerouac spearheading the literary zeitgeist. This change is particularly seismic because it represents not just a massive change in trends, but a complete shift in how the evolution of popular culture even works, entering the domain of rebellious teenagers instead of moral authority figures. I could push the boundaries back a bit further, to 1953-1956, as that would avoid On the Waterfront being in the starting boundary, but a lot of the post-war cultural decade (1945-1954) was still wrestling for control in 1956 despite Elvis hitting it big that year. On top of everything else, television was on the rise throughout the 1950s, giving families a completely new way to experience entertainment and the news. Not to mention, Sputnik happened in '57. The originally grunge culture of the early 90s was gradually fading between latter 1994-1996 despite substantial surface influences making it seem like it was deeply part of the era. If anything it was a watered down version of earlier years, we’re post grunge bands like bush, feeder and the foo fighters had the biggest hits next to acts like skunk anasie, Sublime, Green Day, Korn and Oasis who were bigger than grunge around then. And grunge aesthetics were reduced to edgy Pizza Hut ads and standard gap clothing and preppy fashion. The internet did become more commonplace and almost kind of a more centralized source in 1997-1998. You mention interesting point about the latter 50s, but 1955 seems already seems to sit comfortably with 1957 imo. But the 1950s division is a difference that’s definitely understated.
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