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Post by y2kbaby on Apr 22, 2021 1:57:43 GMT 10
That is a cool idea! We get to see what was going on in your mind when the changes were happening or solidifying live during back to school 2001. Britney abandoned her cookie-cutter, goody two shoes, innocent, princess, kiddy, girl next door image for a more real, mature, sexual, raunchy, bad ass, no more nice girl, edgy, adult, in your face persona. I wonder if that's one of the many reasons why Justin Timberlake dumped her in 2002. Britney admitted she wanted full control over her Britney album which seemed like a transitional album. She wanted it to reflect her. Honestly, her 2001 and later albums reflect her better than the 1999 and 2000 albums where she sounded like she was forced to be someone who she wasn't. I remember more singles from her 2001 and later albums than from her 1999 and 2000 albums. She was 19 when she performed at the 2001 VMA's. She looked like a grown woman on that stage. I would've never guessed she was 19. She looked to be in her mid 20s like around 24 or 25. I bet "I'm a Slave 4 U" shocked people. They weren't used to that side of her. It seemed cutting edge at the time. I'm sure it caused controversy, which probably made pop culture more interesting. Teenagers wanted to be like her, but the adults were against that. The 2000s were a conservative decade, so the pop culture of that era offered escapism and was a counterculture to the traditional mindset in society. Christina Aguilera was already transitioning throughout 2001 to Xtina. That process was complete by the time her "Stripped" album debuted in late 2002 or the first singles were released prior. Thank you for agreeing with me. It's crazy that in almost 2 years the mid 2020s will start numerically. Culturally that probably won't be until late 2023 or sometime in 2024. LMAO I thought you meant by fall 2021, the transition will be 100% complete or that's when we'd realize it. I've noticed that fall is when new cultural eras and transitions begin which lasts through the summer of next year. Of course there's some exceptions to that. basically what happened is she cheated on him with one of her dancers ( who turned out to be one of the MJ accusers from that HBO doc) Justin's cry me a river is based on what happened. But he took it a little too far because every interview he did clocked her. Later she got revenge with the everytime Music video and clapped back. As far as pop culture yeah she did make it better by changing her sound, the only thing that sucked is she bamboozled Clear Channel using Pepsi to sponsor her tour so most radio stations owned by clear channel started blacklisting her by not playing her music. Luckily........ MTV did play her music non stop as well as MTV 2 (which had just been added to MAJOR satellite and over the air feeds) people forget MTV was king back then. So it made it's impact on pop culture history. 0 radio support for slave but 100% support on MTV & MTV 2. you can read more about it here  So you are basically saying that Toxic was her comeback radio hit? Heck Yeah! Toxic is a classic pop song that deserved a no.1 radio hit.
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Post by y2kbaby on Apr 22, 2021 2:10:19 GMT 10
You’re welcome. I trust you on those. 😅 Early 2020s culture is slowly solidifying even if the change from late 2010s isn’t as drastic as the change from the late 2000s to the early 2010s. The 2000s saw a gradual fading out of late 1990s influences which weren’t obsolete until the second half of 2004. Early 2000s culture began by late 2001. The 2020s might follow a similar trajectory, although I predict late 2010s influences will be eradicated by 2023. 2020 reminded me of 2000. 2021 so far reminds me of 2001. The Disney store closures this spring are reminiscent of Warner Bros mall stores closing in summer 2001. Plus we got a new president in 2021 like we did in 2001, except this time it’s a democrat. PS2 got hot by late 2001. So who knows, the PS5 might get hot by late 2021 officially kicking off 9th generation gaming. 5G is also being rolled out now, so the Internet is also experiencing a transition. I’m unsure about electric cars or Virtual Reality, but they exist. I don’t think COVID will be gone by late 2021 as the vaccines just started rolling out now. I predict COVID will be history by 2023. 2021 is better than 2020 in my opinion, not only because of starting university, but also because we have a sane president and COVID vaccines are making a positive impact. It’s interesting reading about your experiences. I was actually thinking about making a thread of what was going thru my mind in August 2001 - the week before 9/11. I actually have pictures of some of the stuff I bought in those 5 weeks. I remember the night after the 2001 VMAS everyone in school was saying Britney is so edgy now, Teen pop crap is done etc etc ( even tho had been fading out way before September 2001) The whole mood the week before 9/11 was already a breath of fresh air. I was sure to soak in every bit of it. By 2023 I think the mask mandate will be gone from stores, and you are right just because the vac gets rolled out you have to get at least 89% of people in the world getting to be more relaxed. We are getting there (USA wise) but it is not going to be done in a day. 2023 sounds about right. By then the mid 2020s will be here...........imagine that And wow my typing in that other paragraph above was so OFF LOL!!! John Titor before 9/11 became the most impactful event of 2001, Aaliyah and 8 other were killed in a plane crash in Bahamas(one of the saddest moments in music history). End of August/First 10 days of September did felt bleak. Then 9/11 happened, it made it even worse. Along with Anthrax/War on Terror/Mini Recession. American Airlines Flight 587 crashed and a lot of American citizens thought there was another terrorist attack. The paranoia of the last few months of 2001 cannot be ignore.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 22, 2021 2:11:48 GMT 10
So you are basically saying that Toxic was her comeback radio hit? Heck Yeah! Toxic is a classic pop song that deserved a no.1 radio hit. Yes it was, well kind of, like I said MTV and MTV 2 played her videos non stop so she had that covered, and she had a movie in 2002 Cross Roads that came out. Slave kind of had radio support until the end of the first month and thats when KISS FM stations stopped playing her music until late 2003. I agree Toxic was a bop.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 22, 2021 3:26:38 GMT 10
basically what happened is she cheated on him with one of her dancers ( who turned out to be one of the MJ accusers from that HBO doc) Justin's cry me a river is based on what happened. But he took it a little too far because every interview he did clocked her. Later she got revenge with the everytime Music video and clapped back. As far as pop culture yeah she did make it better by changing her sound, the only thing that sucked is she bamboozled Clear Channel using Pepsi to sponsor her tour so most radio stations owned by clear channel started blacklisting her by not playing her music. Luckily........ MTV did play her music non stop as well as MTV 2 (which had just been added to MAJOR satellite and over the air feeds) people forget MTV was king back then. So it made it's impact on pop culture history. 0 radio support for slave but 100% support on MTV & MTV 2. you can read more about it here Thanks! Wow it’s a small world after all lol. That documentary got mixed reviews lol. It sucks she did that, but yes Justin took it far. I don’t like him. He threw Janet Jackson under the bus in the 2004 Superbowl. I’m glad Britney was successful and stood her ground. Luckily MTV and MTV 2 played her music, if not the radio. I read the article. It’s messed up that happened. Someone made a video for the 20th anniversary of Slave and her album, worth a watch
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Post by John Titor on Apr 22, 2021 4:19:18 GMT 10
I was actually thinking about making a thread of what was going thru my mind in August 2001 - the week before 9/11. I actually have pictures of some of the stuff I bought in those 5 weeks. I remember the night after the 2001 VMAS everyone in school was saying Britney is so edgy now, Teen pop crap is done etc etc ( even tho had been fading out way before September 2001) The whole mood the week before 9/11 was already a breath of fresh air. I was sure to soak in every bit of it. By 2023 I think the mask mandate will be gone from stores, and you are right just because the vac gets rolled out you have to get at least 89% of people in the world getting to be more relaxed. We are getting there (USA wise) but it is not going to be done in a day. 2023 sounds about right. By then the mid 2020s will be here...........imagine that And wow my typing in that other paragraph above was so OFF LOL!!! John Titor before 9/11 became the most impactful event of 2001, Aaliyah and 8 other were killed in a plane crash in Bahamas(one of the saddest moments in music history). End of August/First 10 days of September did felt bleak. Then 9/11 happened, it made it even worse. Along with Anthrax/War on Terror/Mini Recession. American Airlines Flight 587 crashed and a lot of American citizens thought there was another terrorist attack. The paranoia of the last few months of 2001 cannot be ignore. I also want to say to all the people saying 2021 is the same remember back in 2004 and 2005 there were people on the "other" forum saying " omg I hate 2004 it's still the 90s no change GRRRRR" " ugh Xbox 360 just came out last night no change just a system hahahah no change hahahha"
" 2008 ugh no change at all feels the same GRrr"
Hell I even remember people in 2015 thinking it was the same era as the early 2010s at the time  
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 22, 2021 15:16:11 GMT 10
Coming back here, I think you can make a case that any 3 year period between 1990 - 2010 was a huge gap. Same for the 1900s, 1910s, 1940s and 1960s.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 22, 2021 19:08:01 GMT 10
John Titor before 9/11 became the most impactful event of 2001, Aaliyah and 8 other were killed in a plane crash in Bahamas(one of the saddest moments in music history). End of August/First 10 days of September did felt bleak. Then 9/11 happened, it made it even worse. Along with Anthrax/War on Terror/Mini Recession. American Airlines Flight 587 crashed and a lot of American citizens thought there was another terrorist attack. The paranoia of the last few months of 2001 cannot be ignore. I also want to say to all the people saying 2021 is the same remember back in 2004 and 2005 there were people on the "other" forum saying " omg I hate 2004 it's still the 90s no change GRRRRR" " ugh Xbox 360 just came out last night no change just a system hahahah no change hahahha"
" 2008 ugh no change at all feels the same GRrr"
Hell I even remember people in 2015 thinking it was the same era as the early 2010s at the time
I remember there were legit people that thought that everything was the same as the 80s too in like 1994. I will be honest though, if I was transported from 2015 to 2010, it would actually take me a while to notice.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 22, 2021 19:16:23 GMT 10
Any trace that the first half of 2004 had of the 1990s were probably NuMetal, fashion, technology, Web 1.0 internet, 5th generation gaming remnants, pre social media and TV shows, but they were on their way out, on their final legs or barely noticeable as the core 2000s trends highly overshadowed them. 1990s shows like Friends and Frasier ended that May. The second half of 2004 had no trace of the 1990s. I don’t know what crack they were smoking lmao. What happened to the “1990s died on September 11, 2001”? HEHEHEHE! It’s as if a mood switched the moment we reached summer 2004. It was firmly core and mid 2000s which became more official and clear by fall 2004. Broadband outsold dial up which kicked off Web 2.0 internet and Myspace making social media a thing. 2000s shows were huge, reaching or at their height of popularity. Emo was inescapable. 6th generation was at its peak. Iraq War and the 2004 election were stories of the day. 5th generation gaming and VHS were dead. iPods blew up, replacing Discmans. Cellphones among high school and college, maybe middle school students were ubiquitous. None of that screams 1990s or even early 2000s. All that screams “The mid 2000s have arrived!” I understand when people live in an era, it’s hard for them to notice, grasp or understand changes because of how gradual they are. I don’t think it’s until after a certain era is over is when people realize how different it was from the preceding era or current time. People in 2011 complained that pop culture was a late 2000s continuation, which looking back now is far from the truth. 2011 and 2008 were mostly opposite, even if they shared minor similarities. People in 2014 claimed that 2008-2014 was one era for music which can’t be more false. 2008 was late 2000s culturally, even if it was distinct from other prior years and changeful. 2008 had some early 2010s influences, but 2000s influences strongly dominated. 2014 was strongly mid 2010s and core 2010s, even if it had some early 2010s influences. I also recall people complaining that 2015 was identical to the early 2010s, which is laughable. 2014 or 2015 are peak mid 2010s, core 2010s and most stereotypical 2010s years. In the mid 2010s, people remarked how different the 2000s were from the 2010s. People in the late 2010s were able to distinguish the early 2010s from the mid 2010s. It’s all a matter of time, which puts the changes into perspective. The early 2000s were really just their own era, with 2004 being a 50/50 turning point year. Lol, 2008 and 2011 were not the same, 2008 is a lot more 2000s than it gets credit for. 2009 is mostly 2000s (barely) but, people just hate the year so they would rather group it with the 2010s (late 2008 - 2009 was pretty shite for me too).
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Post by John Titor on Apr 23, 2021 1:40:53 GMT 10
Any trace that the first half of 2004 had of the 1990s were probably NuMetal, fashion, technology, Web 1.0 internet, 5th generation gaming remnants, pre social media and TV shows, but they were on their way out, on their final legs or barely noticeable as the core 2000s trends highly overshadowed them. 1990s shows like Friends and Frasier ended that May. The second half of 2004 had no trace of the 1990s. I don’t know what crack they were smoking lmao. What happened to the “1990s died on September 11, 2001”? HEHEHEHE! It’s as if a mood switched the moment we reached summer 2004. It was firmly core and mid 2000s which became more official and clear by fall 2004. Broadband outsold dial up which kicked off Web 2.0 internet and Myspace making social media a thing. 2000s shows were huge, reaching or at their height of popularity. Emo was inescapable. 6th generation was at its peak. Iraq War and the 2004 election were stories of the day. 5th generation gaming and VHS were dead. iPods blew up, replacing Discmans. Cellphones among high school and college, maybe middle school students were ubiquitous. None of that screams 1990s or even early 2000s. All that screams “The mid 2000s have arrived!” I understand when people live in an era, it’s hard for them to notice, grasp or understand changes because of how gradual they are. I don’t think it’s until after a certain era is over is when people realize how different it was from the preceding era or current time. People in 2011 complained that pop culture was a late 2000s continuation, which looking back now is far from the truth. 2011 and 2008 were mostly opposite, even if they shared minor similarities. People in 2014 claimed that 2008-2014 was one era for music which can’t be more false. 2008 was late 2000s culturally, even if it was distinct from other prior years and changeful. 2008 had some early 2010s influences, but 2000s influences strongly dominated. 2014 was strongly mid 2010s and core 2010s, even if it had some early 2010s influences. I also recall people complaining that 2015 was identical to the early 2010s, which is laughable. 2014 or 2015 are peak mid 2010s, core 2010s and most stereotypical 2010s years. In the mid 2010s, people remarked how different the 2000s were from the 2010s. People in the late 2010s were able to distinguish the early 2010s from the mid 2010s. It’s all a matter of time, which puts the changes into perspective. The early 2000s were really just their own era, with 2004 being a 50/50 turning point year. Lol, 2008 and 2011 were not the same, 2008 is a lot more 2000s than it gets credit for. 2009 is mostly 2000s (barely) but, people just hate the year so they would rather group it with the 2010s (late 2008 - 2009 was pretty shite for me too). Yeah that is why I made a name for Spring 2003 to early August 2004 " The false mid 2000s" the era where early 2000s things were still lingering but the change had not happened fully yet 100% all the way. A precursor era before the real mid 2000s started in the fall.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 1:48:54 GMT 10
Any trace that the first half of 2004 had of the 1990s were probably NuMetal, fashion, technology, Web 1.0 internet, 5th generation gaming remnants, pre social media and TV shows, but they were on their way out, on their final legs or barely noticeable as the core 2000s trends highly overshadowed them. 1990s shows like Friends and Frasier ended that May. The second half of 2004 had no trace of the 1990s. I don’t know what crack they were smoking lmao. What happened to the “1990s died on September 11, 2001”? HEHEHEHE! It’s as if a mood switched the moment we reached summer 2004. It was firmly core and mid 2000s which became more official and clear by fall 2004. Broadband outsold dial up which kicked off Web 2.0 internet and Myspace making social media a thing. 2000s shows were huge, reaching or at their height of popularity. Emo was inescapable. 6th generation was at its peak. Iraq War and the 2004 election were stories of the day. 5th generation gaming and VHS were dead. iPods blew up, replacing Discmans. Cellphones among high school and college, maybe middle school students were ubiquitous. None of that screams 1990s or even early 2000s. All that screams “The mid 2000s have arrived!” I understand when people live in an era, it’s hard for them to notice, grasp or understand changes because of how gradual they are. I don’t think it’s until after a certain era is over is when people realize how different it was from the preceding era or current time. People in 2011 complained that pop culture was a late 2000s continuation, which looking back now is far from the truth. 2011 and 2008 were mostly opposite, even if they shared minor similarities. People in 2014 claimed that 2008-2014 was one era for music which can’t be more false. 2008 was late 2000s culturally, even if it was distinct from other prior years and changeful. 2008 had some early 2010s influences, but 2000s influences strongly dominated. 2014 was strongly mid 2010s and core 2010s, even if it had some early 2010s influences. I also recall people complaining that 2015 was identical to the early 2010s, which is laughable. 2014 or 2015 are peak mid 2010s, core 2010s and most stereotypical 2010s years. In the mid 2010s, people remarked how different the 2000s were from the 2010s. People in the late 2010s were able to distinguish the early 2010s from the mid 2010s. It’s all a matter of time, which puts the changes into perspective. The early 2000s were really just their own era, with 2004 being a 50/50 turning point year. Lol, 2008 and 2011 were not the same, 2008 is a lot more 2000s than it gets credit for. 2009 is mostly 2000s (barely) but, people just hate the year so they would rather group it with the 2010s (late 2008 - 2009 was pretty shite for me too). I’m with you on the early 2000s being their unique era with 2004 being a transitional year. 2008 is aesthetically, politically, culturally and musically more like 2006 than 2010. The fact that in 2008, ElectroPop was overshadowed by 2000s R&B, snap, post post grunge, emo, maybe scene and George W Bush’ last full year as president makes that year culturally late 2000s. It has almost nothing in common with the early 2010s. Sure 2008 had some early 2010s influences, but it was bare minimum. In 2008, 2000s music artists, 2000s TV shows and 2000s movie franchises were the overwhelming majority. People overestimate how 2010s that year was lmao. I agree that 2009 was mostly 2000s even if barely. I’d say the early half through summer 2009 was the last phase of the late 2000s. I think fall 2009 was when the early 2010s kicked in and ElectroPop began to dominate. I remember when people thought that 2008 and 2009 were apart of the same era in 2015. 2008 was a stretch and 2009 was pushing it to some extent. Even then, those years looked dated. Now it looks like another world. People forget that in 2008 and 2009, almost no one had smartphones and touch screen tablets. Physical media was still relevant and steaming was limited to YouTube. However YouTube content was limited and it was mostly pre HD. Hollywood Videos, Blockbuster and Borders were still in business. Also those years were way less politically correct than today. 2011 is the first full year that felt more 2010s than 2000s. That was the year I’d say we really entered the 2010s. Any minor 2000s influences 2011 had were the Iraq War, late 2000s songs being played on the radio, movie franchises, TV, fashion, but that was it. 2008 and 2009 sucked for me too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 2:51:23 GMT 10
I also want to say to all the people saying 2021 is the same remember back in 2004 and 2005 there were people on the "other" forum saying " omg I hate 2004 it's still the 90s no change GRRRRR" " ugh Xbox 360 just came out last night no change just a system hahahah no change hahahha"
" 2008 ugh no change at all feels the same GRrr"
Hell I even remember people in 2015 thinking it was the same era as the early 2010s at the time
I remember there were legit people that thought that everything was the same as the 80s too in like 1994. I will be honest though, if I was transported from 2015 to 2010, it would actually take me a while to notice. The 2010s were stagnant. Going from 2015 to 2020, I’d notice masks. Going from 2000 to 2005, I’d be shocked.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 23, 2021 13:35:33 GMT 10
I remember there were legit people that thought that everything was the same as the 80s too in like 1994. I will be honest though, if I was transported from 2015 to 2010, it would actually take me a while to notice. The 2010s were stagnant. Going from 2015 to 2020, I’d notice masks. Going from 2000 to 2005, I’d be shocked. Don't know about shocked (though, any 5 year period is never enough time to be a shock for me lol) but, I would definitely notice a difference MUCH faster than 2015 to 2010. 2000 to 2005 there was the rise of High Speed Internet, CRT to LCD Monitors, the death of the pay phone (pretty much), DVDs became the norm over VHS, rise of digital photography, rise of MP3 players meanwhile, 2000 was all about Portable CD Players (anti-skip my ass, hahahahahaha). Also, video games went from blocky 3D Polygons to rounded polygons with more realistic physics (just think Half-Life 1 to Half-Life 2). The fashion was only a tad different though, fashion in 2000 was baggy clothing with neon colors, 2005 was still neon colors but, it was noticably less baggy and more slim fitting (there was also emos and early Hipsters). I was already wearing slim fitting jeans in 2005 (not tight clothing, you're pretty much asking to be bullied if you wore that as a guy), Green Day made slim fitting clothes cool lol.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 23, 2021 13:39:21 GMT 10
The early 2000s were really just their own era, with 2004 being a 50/50 turning point year. Lol, 2008 and 2011 were not the same, 2008 is a lot more 2000s than it gets credit for. 2009 is mostly 2000s (barely) but, people just hate the year so they would rather group it with the 2010s (late 2008 - 2009 was pretty shite for me too). Yeah that is why I made a name for Spring 2003 to early August 2004 " The false mid 2000s" the era where early 2000s things were still lingering but the change had not happened fully yet 100% all the way. A precursor era before the real mid 2000s started in the fall. Yeah pretty much. Late 2003 & early 2004 was mostly the early 2000s with some mid 00s stuff thrown into the mix (such as Digital Cameras, LCD Monitors, Flip Phones, 50 Cent, Crunk, Paris Hilton...).
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Post by John Titor on Apr 23, 2021 13:42:20 GMT 10
Yeah that is why I made a name for Spring 2003 to early August 2004 " The false mid 2000s" the era where early 2000s things were still lingering but the change had not happened fully yet 100% all the way. A precursor era before the real mid 2000s started in the fall. Yeah pretty much. Late 2003 & early 2004 was mostly the early 2000s with some mid 00s stuff thrown into the mix (such as Digital Cameras, LCD Monitors, Flip Phones, 50 Cent, Crunk, Paris Hilton...). yupp the transition was so long and drawn out lol if you really think about it
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Post by dudewitdausername on Apr 23, 2021 13:48:04 GMT 10
2003 and 2006 might be one.
2003 - mostly early 2000s with slight mid 2000s influences that became more clear in 2004.
2006 - mid 2000s with late 2000s influences that became more clear in the Fall of the same year.
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