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Post by aja675 on Jun 6, 2021 12:43:40 GMT 10
At a guess, I'd say that the less cool and more long in the tooth aspects of now are just like 2019, but it's also clear that something new's coming.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 13:29:29 GMT 10
Agreed, i don't get why people say 2019 is dated lol. 2019 feels distant because of the several twists that happened in 2020, but it's by no means dated. 2019 is not dated. COVID 19 started in 2019. COVID did not blow up until March 2020 with lockdowns, quarantine, cases skyrocketing. I do not think 2019 will be dated until 2023 or 2024. 2019 is when TikTok, Bilie Eilish and AirPods blow up, all trends going strong today. Disney Plus kicked off in late 2019. Here's my reasons for why I think 2019 is dated (in most aspects) - COVID-19 didn't even exist until like November or December 2019, and didn't even enter the public concious until January 2020 before obviously skyrocketing in March 2020. To me, walking into my local restaurants and actually seeing people enjoying themselves and dining inside is dated. I miss it so much. I wish 2020 and 2021 were the same as 2019, but it's just not the case - especially 2021, with a different president on TOP of the pandemic, a pandemic that is now ingrained in modern society too, despite not even existing in 2019. Music and technology in 2019 aren't that dated except for some examples ("Old Town Road" actually sounds dated to me, as well as a few other 2019 pop songs), but politics, social life, and actual culture as we perceive it day-to-day is very dated. Something that didn't even exist back then is now part of our daily lives - and if tomorrow I woke up on June 6, 2019, I'd feel a shock. That's how ingrained COVID restrictions post-2020 is in today's culture. 2019 definitely has more pop cultural connections to now than 2017-18, but in no way does that mean it's not dated - because in the grand scheme of things literally everything in our day-to-day changed in 2020. Not minor pop cultural shifts like 2019 itself had, but actual life. 2019-2021 is one of the BIGGEST two year jumps in my opinion. I respect your opinion. 2019 is dated in that we can longer go out of the house without a mask on. We now have to social distance. It is also kind of dated politically as Trump is no longer president and now we have Biden as president. In that sense 2019 to 2021 is the one of the biggest 2 year jumps. Pop culturally, 95% of the aesthetics between 2019 and 2021 are similar. I cannot tell them a part in that sense. To be fair, 2019 is when pop culture started to go in a slight early 2020s direction. I also miss life pre-COVID-19. You are right COVID-19 did not exist until November or December 2019. I did not hear about until January to March 2020. 2019 is also pre-Zoom because Zoom did not blow up until March or April 2020. To be honest if I woke up 2 years ago, I would also be shocked too. Oh the things I can I do to be 21 all over again. I turned 21 in 2019 which is another reason why I love 2019 and is my favorite year of all time. 2019 is the last carefree year in that sense. Now it is all paranoia thanks to COVID-19. In many ways the early 2020s reflects the early 2000s because in the early 2000s, people were paranoid of brown skinned people and Muslims, assuming they would commit a terrorist attack. Now we have unjustifiable Pacific Islander and Asian hatred with a pandemic on top.
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Post by slashpop on Jun 6, 2021 17:22:58 GMT 10
Here's my reasons for why I think 2019 is dated (in most aspects) - COVID-19 didn't even exist until like November or December 2019, and didn't even enter the public concious until January 2020 before obviously skyrocketing in March 2020. To me, walking into my local restaurants and actually seeing people enjoying themselves and dining inside is dated. I miss it so much. I wish 2020 and 2021 were the same as 2019, but it's just not the case - especially 2021, with a different president on TOP of the pandemic, a pandemic that is now ingrained in modern society too, despite not even existing in 2019. Music and technology in 2019 aren't that dated except for some examples ("Old Town Road" actually sounds dated to me, as well as a few other 2019 pop songs), but politics, social life, and actual culture as we perceive it day-to-day is very dated. Something that didn't even exist back then is now part of our daily lives - and if tomorrow I woke up on June 6, 2019, I'd feel a shock. That's how ingrained COVID restrictions post-2020 is in today's culture. 2019 definitely has more pop cultural connections to now than 2017-18, but in no way does that mean it's not dated - because in the grand scheme of things literally everything in our day-to-day changed in 2020. Not minor pop cultural shifts like 2019 itself had, but actual life. 2019-2021 is one of the BIGGEST two year jumps in my opinion. I respect your opinion. 2019 is dated in that we can longer go out of the house without a mask on. We now have to social distance. It is also kind of dated politically as Trump is no longer president and now we have Biden as president. In that sense 2019 to 2021 is the one of the biggest 2 year jumps. Pop culturally, 95% of the aesthetics between 2019 and 2021 are similar. I cannot tell them a part in that sense. To be fair, 2019 is when pop culture started to go in a slight early 2020s direction. I also miss life pre-COVID-19. You are right COVID-19 did not exist until November or December 2019. I did not hear about until January to March 2020. 2019 is also pre-Zoom because Zoom did not blow up until March or April 2020. To be honest if I woke up 2 years ago, I would also be shocked too. Oh the things I can I do to be 21 all over again. I turned 21 in 2019 which is another reason why I love 2019 and is my favorite year of all time. 2019 is the last carefree year in that sense. Now it is all paranoia thanks to COVID-19. In many ways the early 2020s reflects the early 2000s because in the early 2000s, people were paranoid of brown skinned people and Muslims, assuming they would commit a terrorist attack. Now we have unjustifiable Pacific Islander and Asian hatred with a pandemic on top. I said 2019-2021 were 80 percent similar but it’s more like 93-95 percent similar.
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Post by longaotian on Jun 6, 2021 18:10:38 GMT 10
Did any of the people saying 2019 read my question, lmao. Obviously 2019 is not going to be exactly like 2021 given that it was two years ago, but I would find it hard to believe you would be able to look at a picture and easily tell it wasn't taken today.
Like I said, 2016 and 2017 still look current to me despite being in a different era, both in pop culture and politics. But on the other hand those 2013 videos that someone posted are started to have that dated look.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jun 6, 2021 18:49:01 GMT 10
2009.
The early 2010s are kind of 50/50. There's photos from 2010/2011 which honestly don't look too far removed from the world of today (as HD had become standard by then), but if you look back at the photos that people took on their smartphones or digital cameras at the time, the difference in picture quality is noticeably different. My first phone was a Samsung Galaxy SII Mini and the camera quality was so poor that it resembled a 240p YouTube video! That being said, I bought my Nikon Coolpix P520 camera back in late 2013, and the photos that I took back then could easily have been taken today.
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Post by rainbow on Jun 7, 2021 4:54:27 GMT 10
Did any of the people saying 2019 read my question, lmao. Obviously 2019 is not going to be exactly like 2021 given that it was two years ago, but I would find it hard to believe you would be able to look at a picture and easily tell it wasn't taken today. Like I said, 2016 and 2017 still look current to me despite being in a different era, both in pop culture and politics. But on the other hand those 2013 videos that someone posted are started to have that dated look. This pandemic has people thinking 2019 is closer to 2010 than 2021 lmao. I’m not gonna argue that COVID didn’t change culture but people are seriously overestimating how different 2019 is. Last year I got into an argument with someone who tried telling me that because of COVID, we are already in 2020’s culture. I told them that’s not how culture works, and I basically said we’re in a transition era. But this person actually believed that the day we began lockdown was the very start of 2020’s culture, and that there were basically no 2010’s influences left. Like I’m sorry but that’s not how culture works. Culture isn’t a day to night change and it does require a transition period. Yet I got called out for thinking that lmao.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 7, 2021 6:36:18 GMT 10
2019 feels dated a tiny bit but a ton of things we see now started in 2019
2019 was the start of the transition that is ending about a month or 2, Covid just happens to be locked in that transition.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Jun 7, 2021 7:10:58 GMT 10
2019 feels dated a tiny bit but a ton of things we see now started in 2019 2019 was the start of the transition that is ending about a month or 2, Covid just happens to be locked in that transition. I do think 2019 did start the transition into Early 20s in *pop culture*, with trends like TikTok exploding in popularity, Disney+, artists like DaBaby, Roddy Ricch, Lil Nas X, Billie Eilish, Megan Thee Stallion, Polo G, etc etc. becoming popular, and melodic trap and drill becoming popular. But what really "locked" us into the transition was COVID in March 2020, and even further when Biden got elected in November. Just like how you could argue that the transition into the Late 2010s started in the Spring or Summer of 2016 *pop culturally*, but what really locked us into the transition was Trump being elected in the Fall. Transitions constantly have "transitional" things happening during them, but some are more important than others. I didn't read what the original poster said, so I missed the "visually dated" comment. Day-to-day life in 2019 feels dated, but pictures, movies or music videos (unless they include a packed croud or concert) don't. I'd say that either 2013 or 2014 would be the latest year for that. Similar to Spring 2003 - Summer 2004 being dubbed the "False Mid 2000s" by some users here, I think a perfect name for the Spring 2019 - Winter 2020 period would be the "False Early 2020s", with Spring 2020 to now being called the "COVID-19 Era".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 5:58:20 GMT 10
Did any of the people saying 2019 read my question, lmao. Obviously 2019 is not going to be exactly like 2021 given that it was two years ago, but I would find it hard to believe you would be able to look at a picture and easily tell it wasn't taken today. Like I said, 2016 and 2017 still look current to me despite being in a different era, both in pop culture and politics. But on the other hand those 2013 videos that someone posted are started to have that dated look. This pandemic has people thinking 2019 is closer to 2010 than 2021 lmao. I’m not gonna argue that COVID didn’t change culture but people are seriously overestimating how different 2019 is. Last year I got into an argument with someone who tried telling me that because of COVID, we are already in 2020’s culture. I told them that’s not how culture works, and I basically said we’re in a transition era. But this person actually believed that the day we began lockdown was the very start of 2020’s culture, and that there were basically no 2010’s influences left. Like I’m sorry but that’s not how culture works. Culture isn’t a day to night change and it does require a transition period. Yet I got called out for thinking that lmao. Aside from music and Internet culture (TikTok), what is still similar to 2019? I agree that music is still stubbornly stuck in the late 2010s, with bedroom pop, lo-fi, and trap dominating. Internet culture hasn't changed that much. Aside from that, there isn't much else that hasn't changed.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Jun 8, 2021 7:42:48 GMT 10
This pandemic has people thinking 2019 is closer to 2010 than 2021 lmao. I’m not gonna argue that COVID didn’t change culture but people are seriously overestimating how different 2019 is. Last year I got into an argument with someone who tried telling me that because of COVID, we are already in 2020’s culture. I told them that’s not how culture works, and I basically said we’re in a transition era. But this person actually believed that the day we began lockdown was the very start of 2020’s culture, and that there were basically no 2010’s influences left. Like I’m sorry but that’s not how culture works. Culture isn’t a day to night change and it does require a transition period. Yet I got called out for thinking that lmao. Aside from music and Internet culture (TikTok), what is still similar to 2019? I agree that music is still stubbornly stuck in the late 2010s, with bedroom pop, lo-fi, and trap dominating. Internet culture hasn't changed that much. Aside from that, there isn't much else that hasn't changed. To a lot of users here, music is the *only* change lol. like, just go outside and instantly you'll see why 2021 is very different from how it was in 2019. To go with what the person you quoted said: "music has people thinking 2019 is closer to 2021 than 2017 lol"
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Post by John Titor on Jun 8, 2021 7:57:49 GMT 10
Aside from music and Internet culture (TikTok), what is still similar to 2019? I agree that music is still stubbornly stuck in the late 2010s, with bedroom pop, lo-fi, and trap dominating. Internet culture hasn't changed that much. Aside from that, there isn't much else that hasn't changed. To a lot of users here, music is the *only* change lol. like, just go outside and instantly you'll see why 2021 is very different from how it was in 2019. To go with what the person you quoted said: "music has people thinking 2019 is closer to 2021 than 2017 lol" music has changed which is funny lol it's transitioning currently
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Post by pumpkin14 on Jun 8, 2021 8:40:45 GMT 10
To a lot of users here, music is the *only* change lol. like, just go outside and instantly you'll see why 2021 is very different from how it was in 2019. To go with what the person you quoted said: "music has people thinking 2019 is closer to 2021 than 2017 lol" music has changed which is funny lol it's transitioning currently Exactly, music is different already. Compare the top 10 songs this week to the songs of the same week in 2017, 2018, or even 2019 and you’ll see a difference. Of course there are still some late 10s sounding songs just like there were 2000s sounding songs in 2011, 90s sounding songs in 2001, and so on. Like you said music is in a transition Top 10 week of June 12, 2021 1. Butter - BTS 2. Good 4 U - Olivia Rodrigo 3. Levitating - Dua Lipa 4. Leave The Door Open - Silk Sonic 5. Save Your Tears - The Weeknd 6. Peaches - Justin Bieber 7. Kiss Me More - Doja Cat 8. Deja Vu - Olivia Rodrigo 9. Astronaut in the Ocean - Masked Wolf 10. Montero (Call Me By Your Name) - Lil Nas X Week of June 15, 2019 1. Old Town Road - Lil Nas X 2. Bad Guy - Billie Eillish 3. Talk - Khalid 4. I Don’t Care - Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber 5. Sucker - Jonas Brothers 6. Wow. - Post Malone 7. Sunflower - Swae Lee & Post Malone 8. Suge - DaBaby 9. Dancing With a Stranger - Normani & Sam Smith 10. Sweet But Psycho - Ava Max Most songs in the top ten today don’t sound like 2010s songs to me unlike 2019
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Post by dudewitdausername on Jun 8, 2021 9:00:51 GMT 10
music has changed which is funny lol it's transitioning currently Exactly, music is different already. Compare the top 10 songs this week to the songs of the same week in 2017, 2018, or even 2019 and you’ll see a difference. Of course there are still some late 10s sounding songs just like there were 2000s sounding songs in 2011, 90s sounding songs in 2001, and so on. Like you said music is in a transition Top 10 week of June 12, 2021 1. Butter - BTS 2. Good 4 U - Olivia Rodrigo 3. Levitating - Dua Lipa 4. Leave The Door Open - Silk Sonic 5. Save Your Tears - The Weeknd 6. Peaches - Justin Bieber 7. Kiss Me More - Doja Cat 8. Deja Vu - Olivia Rodrigo 9. Astronaut in the Ocean - Masked Wolf 10. Montero (Call Me By Your Name) - Lil Nas X Week of June 15, 2019 1. Old Town Road - Lil Nas X 2. Bad Guy - Billie Eillish 3. Talk - Khalid 4. I Don’t Care - Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber 5. Sucker - Jonas Brothers 6. Wow. - Post Malone 7. Sunflower - Swae Lee & Post Malone 8. Suge - DaBaby 9. Dancing With a Stranger - Normani & Sam Smith 10. Sweet But Psycho - Ava Max Most songs in the top ten today don’t sound like 2010s songs to me unlike 2019 Wow, a lot of those 2019 songs sound very 2010s... the "2020sness" of 2019 is very overexaggerated. People just really like the idea of "xxx9" year having connections to the next decade for some reason, even when it mostly doesn't actually apply. Lil Nas X is a 2020s artist, but "Old Town Road" sounds super 2010s. I honestly couldn't see it coming out today, trap beats sound a lot different now. It's either drill, bouncy or guitar-based melodic beats now. Compare it to his 2021 song "Montero" which sounds a lot more early 2020s.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 9:31:39 GMT 10
music has changed which is funny lol it's transitioning currently Exactly, music is different already. Compare the top 10 songs this week to the songs of the same week in 2017, 2018, or even 2019 and you’ll see a difference. Of course there are still some late 10s sounding songs just like there were 2000s sounding songs in 2011, 90s sounding songs in 2001, and so on. Like you said music is in a transition Top 10 week of June 12, 2021 1. Butter - BTS 2. Good 4 U - Olivia Rodrigo 3. Levitating - Dua Lipa 4. Leave The Door Open - Silk Sonic 5. Save Your Tears - The Weeknd 6. Peaches - Justin Bieber 7. Kiss Me More - Doja Cat 8. Deja Vu - Olivia Rodrigo 9. Astronaut in the Ocean - Masked Wolf 10. Montero (Call Me By Your Name) - Lil Nas X Week of June 15, 2019 1. Old Town Road - Lil Nas X 2. Bad Guy - Billie Eillish 3. Talk - Khalid 4. I Don’t Care - Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber 5. Sucker - Jonas Brothers 6. Wow. - Post Malone 7. Sunflower - Swae Lee & Post Malone 8. Suge - DaBaby 9. Dancing With a Stranger - Normani & Sam Smith 10. Sweet But Psycho - Ava Max Most songs in the top ten today don’t sound like 2010s songs to me unlike 2019 I think music in 2021 is a lot more tied to the 2010s than music in 2011 was to the 2000s or 2001 to the 90s. For instance, the sound of BTS - Butter harkens back to Bruno Mars - 24K Magic from 2016. Many of the other songs are pretty generic bedroom pop. I think we are going to have to move away from bedroom pop and neo-disco reverb-heavy beats before we can really say it's a new era for music.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 8, 2021 9:45:00 GMT 10
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