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Post by mc98 on Oct 9, 2021 9:54:38 GMT 10
I still think people overestimate the depth of the connections. Every point mentioned about what came around in 19 so far is valid but that still means 2019 just had mostly a small handful of connections or endpoints, not a real shift and not a pop culture change that was felt. 2019 is still mostly similar today and there wasn’t a new era feeling or final chapter feeling in 2019 early, mid or late imo. 2018-2019 had a bit more visible leftover dying core residue from 12-17 that’s about it. Honestly we still haven’t moved into a different era. 2019 is still mostly similar/same era with a few minor starting points or noteworthy happenings that are related to certain aspects of today, even though they never formed a cohesive shift or new era feeling. The most mini changes are from mid to late 2020 with some more visible ones and some minor distance felt from the 2010s, starting around the late spring-fall 2021 but even they still aren’t enough yet. But still no one is gonna look back to 2019 and say "wow that is so very 2010s". This mini-shift can be traced back in the second half of 2018, it was a shift towards the overall core 2010s culture(2015-2017 to be exact) becoming distant and stale rather than the beginning of the true 2020s. Tiktok plays a major role in this and is a huge juggernaut of today's culture more than Vine/Musically could ever been. The movie and show franchise ending are also valid points. Covid in spring 2020 accelerated the shift from the 2010s by a mile. Late 2018-2019 can be considered the starting point of the declining 2010s spirit and part of a transitional era that doesn't have an official name.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 10:00:33 GMT 10
Another thing I forgot to mention was streaming platforms besides Netflix. Disney+ launched in 2019 as well..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 11:48:14 GMT 10
I still think people overestimate the depth of the connections. Every point mentioned about what came around in 19 so far is valid but that still means 2019 just had mostly a small handful of connections or endpoints, not a real shift and not a pop culture change that was felt. 2019 is still mostly similar today and there wasn’t a new era feeling or final chapter feeling in 2019 early, mid or late imo. 2018-2019 had a bit more visible leftover dying core residue from 12-17 that’s about it. Honestly we still haven’t moved into a different era. 2019 is still mostly similar/same era with a few minor starting points or noteworthy happenings that are related to certain aspects of today, even though they never formed a cohesive shift or new era feeling. The most mini changes are from mid to late 2020 with some more visible ones and some minor distance felt from the 2010s, starting around the late spring-fall 2021 but even they still aren’t enough yet. But still no one is gonna look back to 2019 and say "wow that is so very 2010s". This mini-shift can be traced back in the second half of 2018, it was a shift towards the overall core 2010s culture(2015-2017 to be exact) becoming distant and stale rather than the beginning of the true 2020s. Tiktok plays a major role in this and is a huge juggernaut of today's culture more than Vine/Musically could ever been. The movie and show franchise ending are also valid points. Covid in spring 2020 accelerated the shift from the 2010s by a mile. Late 2018-2019 can be considered the starting point of the declining 2010s spirit and part of a transitional era that doesn't have an official name. I think 2019 is more or less going to be looked back on as the last "good" year before the world went to hell in 2020. If people underestimate anything, it's the pandemic and how much it's changed everything about our world. 2019, being pre-pandemic, is "so very 2010s" for that reason alone. The 2010s will come to represent a carefree time of both innocence and decadence is comparison with the 2020s. Just watch.
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Post by 10slover on Oct 9, 2021 11:57:05 GMT 10
Another strange thing about 2019 is that a lot of 2010s shows and movie franchises ended that year. I've noticed that a lot with 2020 actually but you're right a lot of well-known 2010s shows like Game of Thrones for example ended in 2019. The Star Wars sequel trilogy also ended in 2019 as John said. The MCU
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Post by John Titor on Oct 9, 2021 12:06:17 GMT 10
I still think people overestimate the depth of the connections. Every point mentioned about what came around in 19 so far is valid but that still means 2019 just had mostly a small handful of connections or endpoints, not a real shift and not a pop culture change that was felt. 2019 is still mostly similar today and there wasn’t a new era feeling or final chapter feeling in 2019 early, mid or late imo. 2018-2019 had a bit more visible leftover dying core residue from 12-17 that’s about it. Honestly we still haven’t moved into a different era. 2019 is still mostly similar/same era with a few minor starting points or noteworthy happenings that are related to certain aspects of today, even though they never formed a cohesive shift or new era feeling. The most mini changes are from mid to late 2020 with some more visible ones and some minor distance felt from the 2010s, starting around the late spring-fall 2021 but even they still aren’t enough yet. But still no one is gonna look back to 2019 and say "wow that is so very 2010s". This mini-shift can be traced back in the second half of 2018, it was a shift towards the overall core 2010s culture(2015-2017 to be exact) becoming distant and stale rather than the beginning of the true 2020s. Tiktok plays a major role in this and is a huge juggernaut of today's culture more than Vine/Musically could ever been. The movie and show franchise ending are also valid points. Covid in spring 2020 accelerated the shift from the 2010s by a mile. Late 2018-2019 can be considered the starting point of the declining 2010s spirit and part of a transitional era that doesn't have an official name. Yeah, we are and have been in this "new" era since sometime in 2020 The pre part of it started to take shape in the 2018-2019 year with little bits of it chipping at the 2010s more and more and more. So when Covid came in 2020, things like E-boy / E-girl, Tik Tok, Pop Punk revival fit like a glove because there was shadow pop culture work going on behind the scenes. The biggest sore to get rid of was Hipster, it was dragging it's feet out the door but we finally got rid of it. We also finally got rid of Trump in 2020 so that helped make things feel a tiny bit more different Game of Thrones, MCU and a host of other 2010s things ended un subconsciously for 2020 things to enter the scene.
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Post by John Titor on Oct 9, 2021 12:10:36 GMT 10
Another thing I forgot to mention was streaming platforms besides Netflix. Disney+ launched in 2019 as well.. yeah 2019 is like the Pre Beta 2020s, 1999 was kind of like this with the 2000s, not the same decade by any means but gave you " COMING SOON ATTRACTIONS" vibes
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 15:14:51 GMT 10
Also you could say the fake early '20s (the little era before March 2020, pre-pandemic) started in 2019. But Covid threw everything off so we ended up with the real early '20s in 2020 which revolves around the pamdemic. But aspects of the fake early '20s like dance pop and throwback '80s sounds still lingered on through the pandemic.
Can you imagine if the pandemic didn't happen how fun the era would be? Since we got a glimpse of it in the fake early '20s (January - February 2020 when Corona was just a meme). You could tell it would be a fun era with the upbeat music and that was a fun little time as well.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 9, 2021 17:44:17 GMT 10
Also you could say the fake early '20s (the little era before March 2020, pre-pandemic) started in 2019. But Covid threw everything off so we ended up with the real early '20s in 2020 which revolves around the pamdemic. But aspects of the fake early '20s like dance pop and throwback '80s sounds still lingered on through the pandemic. Can you imagine if the pandemic didn't happen how fun the era would be? Since we got a glimpse of it in the fake early '20s (January - February 2020 when Corona was just a meme). You could tell it would be a fun era with the upbeat music and that was a fun little time as well. There’s very little difference between the years. Covid never really changed pop culture trends and aesthetics. Why does want to force shifts
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 5:59:32 GMT 10
Also you could say the fake early '20s (the little era before March 2020, pre-pandemic) started in 2019. But Covid threw everything off so we ended up with the real early '20s in 2020 which revolves around the pamdemic. But aspects of the fake early '20s like dance pop and throwback '80s sounds still lingered on through the pandemic. Can you imagine if the pandemic didn't happen how fun the era would be? Since we got a glimpse of it in the fake early '20s (January - February 2020 when Corona was just a meme). You could tell it would be a fun era with the upbeat music and that was a fun little time as well. There’s very little difference between the years. Covid never really changed pop culture trends and aesthetics. Why does want to force shifts 2020 was the real shift.. Covid changed everything in the world. And we still haven't recovered. But cultural changes started in 2019.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 10, 2021 7:54:49 GMT 10
There’s very little difference between the years. Covid never really changed pop culture trends and aesthetics. Why does want to force shifts 2020 was the real shift.. Covid changed everything in the world. And we still haven't recovered. But cultural changes started in 2019. I don’t see see any cultural change or shift in 2019, only a minor collection of mostly fringe or small things that either ended or started, most of which not really related to the core foundation base of a new era. Nearly all these things were not even felt or noticed at any point in 2019 or most of 2020 for the most part then, no shifts or new era vibes in 2019 either imo. A chunk of 2020 is almost indistinguishable from the exact and literal pop culture of 2019 with or without Corona. It was literally frozen for a while because of it. There were some very minor yet more visible cultural changes between mid 2020 to mid to late 2021 which is now ( some effects of Cornona on pop culture ( memes, restrictions, themes of it etc), removal of trump, PS5, bedroom pop and pop punk and few other genres more noticeable, emo nostagia a bit more widespread, more visible hints of incoming y2k revival in a mainstream sense beyond forums( modular sneakers more widespread than late 10s, bell bottom jeans, more video and social content on the topic etc ) We are still a modified version of 2018-2019 until proven otherwise with more substantial cultural turning points and radical and transformative era changes, not there yet imo. Epidemics don’t shape the style and aesthetics and base of pop culture they only have a limited after effect. Music changes need to be also more radical then they are at the moment. Roughly 95 percent or a bit higher is aesthetically identical to the mid to late 2010s with only things like certain film franchises and things like hipster and casual flashy fashion mostly fading or not as common. But these were already fading in 2018, 2019.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Oct 10, 2021 10:26:01 GMT 10
Fake Early 2020s - Spring 2019 to Winter 2020
COVID-19 Era - Spring 2020 to Fall 2021 (with vaccine rollouts getting more and more common, COVID is starting to disappear to the back of people's minds and concerts and movie theatres are reopening. Summer/Fall 2021 is the shift away from COVID fucking literally everything up.)
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Post by 10slover on Oct 10, 2021 13:27:25 GMT 10
Fake Early 2020s - Spring 2019 to Winter 2020 COVID-19 Era - Spring 2020 to Fall 2021 (with vaccine rollouts getting more and more common, COVID is starting to disappear to the back of people's minds and concerts and movie theatres are reopening. Summer/Fall 2021 is the shift away from COVID fucking literally everything up.) im looking forward to the day W.H.O decretes the coronavirus isn't a pandemic anymore, 2022 maybe?
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Post by John Titor on Oct 11, 2021 1:02:17 GMT 10
Fake Early 2020s - Spring 2019 to Winter 2020COVID-19 Era - Spring 2020 to Fall 2021 (with vaccine rollouts getting more and more common, COVID is starting to disappear to the back of people's minds and concerts and movie theatres are reopening. Summer/Fall 2021 is the shift away from COVID fucking literally everything up.) This was def an era
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Post by Cassie on Oct 11, 2021 2:47:42 GMT 10
Imo 2019 is really just a conclusion and a wrap up to the 2010s, not "early 2020s" because of COVID. I guess it could've been culturally early 2020s but I think the coronavirus pandemic makes 2019 solidly 2010s albeit late.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 11, 2021 3:32:22 GMT 10
There is no real dividing line between 2010s and 2020s on a pop cultural level yet. Every new change from mid 2020 to today is just some more modifications and new things for sure but it still hasn't formed enough of a cohesive whole that defines a entirely new era cut off from the 2010s, all the fonts, film trends, technology, basic fashion, interior design and style is still 95-98% 2010s minus beards, hipsters and certain franchises in the spotlight + a few mid 2020-present mortifications ( corona outbreak as an event, corona influencing pop culture in a limited extent, some Y2K revivalism, bedroom pop, trump out of office, PS5 etc) however none of those including corona and trump leaving office have altered the main elements of pop culture (2010s asthetics still everywhere, 2010s film trends, basic fashion, fonts, hipster hamburger stands and foodie culture etc)
2019 was just a blander version of the second half of 2018 with some noteworthyconnections to today in a few respects, but overall still very similar to 2019 outside of a few things including corona, but no real shifts, changes or new eras occured in 2019, it was just another generic 2010s year, 2020 and 2021 is most leaning mostly 2010s still, despite numerically being in a different decade, we aren't leaning pop culturally 2020s yet.
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