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Post by John Titor on Oct 11, 2021 6:01:31 GMT 10
I disagree, way too many pop culture changes have happened since 2019
Shadow stage 2018 -2019
- The word Gen Z being used in everything - Hipster backlash starts - Pop Punk gets more traction underground -
2019
- Marvel ended its OG run and started the new Multiverse era starting with Spider-man Far from Home - Billy Eillish becomes a house hold name - Lil Nas X becomes a house hold name - Covid-19 is birthed - Game of Thrones ends it's run - HBO max and Disney plus debut - mandalorian mania - Tik Tok becomes mainstream world wide - End and crash of Star Wars 2010s Trilogy - AEW debuts on TNT and becomes the first company since WCW to take on WWE
2020
- Covid-19 is unleashed and creates month long lockdowns - Machine Gun Kelly releases Tickets to my downfall / Pop Punk becomes mainstream again - Joe Biden wins to be elected as the next President of the United States - Baggy jeans start to replace normal cuts for women - 2010s backlash Cheugy - Cable channel Disney UK ends their run
2021 - Joe Biden takes his seat as the new President - Squid Games mania - Fuller House ends it's run - Apple returns to making it's devices colorful like the late 90s/early 2000s - Donald Trump leaves the white house and the Trump era comes to an end - Netflix announces That 70's show is returning as that 90s show, reversing the 2006 shift ( this one was more for fun lol) - Tobey Maguire the Og of the Original Spider-man films returns in Spider-man Far from Home - Keeping up with the Kardashians finally end their run on E! - The return of movies in theatres
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Post by slashpop on Oct 11, 2021 6:56:11 GMT 10
I disagree, way too many pop culture changes have happened since 2019 Shadow stage2018 -2019- The word Gen Z being used in everything - Hipster backlash starts - Pop Punk gets more traction underground - 2019- Marvel ended its OG run and started the new Multiverse era starting with Spider-man Far from Home - Billy Eillish becomes a house hold name - Lil Nas X becomes a house hold name - Covid-19 is birthed - Game of Thrones ends it's run - HBO max and Disney plus debut - mandalorian mania - Tik Tok becomes mainstream world wide - End and crash of Star Wars 2010s Trilogy - AEW debuts on TNT and becomes the first company since WCW to take on WWE 2020- Covid-19 is unleashed and creates month long lockdowns - Machine Gun Kelly releases Tickets to my downfall / Pop Punk becomes mainstream again - Joe Biden wins to be elected as the next President of the United States - Baggy jeans start to replace normal cuts for women - 2010s backlash Cheugy - Cable channel Disney UK ends their run 2021 - Joe Biden takes his seat as the new President - Squid Games mania - Fuller House ends it's run - Apple returns to making it's devices colorful like the late 90s/early 2000s - Donald Trump leaves the white house and the Trump era comes to an end - Netflix announces That 70's show is returning as that 90s show, reversing the 2006 shift ( this one was more for fun lol) - Tobey Maguire the Og of the Original Spider-man films returns in Spider-man Far from Home - Keeping up with the Kardashians finally end their run on E! - The return of movies in theatres Every point above is valid and all this true but it still hasn’t amounted in a complete shift that broke off entirely from the 2010s and formed and new decade identity that is a completely distinct 100 percent … it still isn’t enough. General aesthetics,, big chunk of fonts, general film and overall film and advertising style, most fashion and interior design, toys, food trend are still leaning 2010s, all the changes you listed are real and there def are dead 2010s trends, even though a huge amount are still there, but that has resulted at most at us roughly still being in 93-97 percent in identical 2010s culture as 2019. So it otherwords the things above fill the 2020 identity but it’s still incomplete it hasn’t come full circle. Also 2019 felt like a generic copy of latter 2018 with minor changes…didn’t real have any new era noticeable new era vibes or shifts when were in it like 89, 99, 09 or in general even if there were some changes as listed. Tbh some of changes, in general, not all, could have taken place at any year and it wouldn’t necessary be era changing or defining material, describing everyone’s mentions.
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Post by 10slover on Oct 11, 2021 9:59:27 GMT 10
That 70's show is returning as that 90s show, reversing the 2006 shift
What do you mean reversed? What?
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Post by John Titor on Oct 11, 2021 10:56:42 GMT 10
That 70's show is returning as that 90s show, reversing the 2006 shift
What do you mean reversed? What? joking lol There was this shift in 2006 that happened that wiped away a few classic 2000s things and ushered in dark and digital timeline. One of the most popular topics that the shift washed away was That 70s show, Malcolm in the middle and The WB network
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 15:41:39 GMT 10
2020 was the real shift.. Covid changed everything in the world. And we still haven't recovered. But cultural changes started in 2019. I don’t see see any cultural change or shift in 2019, only a minor collection of mostly fringe or small things that either ended or started, most of which not really related to the core foundation base of a new era. Nearly all these things were not even felt or noticed at any point in 2019 or most of 2020 for the most part then, no shifts or new era vibes in 2019 either imo. A chunk of 2020 is almost indistinguishable from the exact and literal pop culture of 2019 with or without Corona. It was literally frozen for a while because of it. There were some very minor yet more visible cultural changes between mid 2020 to mid to late 2021 which is now ( some effects of Cornona on pop culture ( memes, restrictions, themes of it etc), removal of trump, PS5, bedroom pop and pop punk and few other genres more noticeable, emo nostagia a bit more widespread, more visible hints of incoming y2k revival in a mainstream sense beyond forums( modular sneakers more widespread than late 10s, bell bottom jeans, more video and social content on the topic etc ) We are still a modified version of 2018-2019 until proven otherwise with more substantial cultural turning points and radical and transformative era changes, not there yet imo. Epidemics don’t shape the style and aesthetics and base of pop culture they only have a limited after effect. Music changes need to be also more radical then they are at the moment. Roughly 95 percent or a bit higher is aesthetically identical to the mid to late 2010s with only things like certain film franchises and things like hipster and casual flashy fashion mostly fading or not as common. But these were already fading in 2018, 2019. You say 2020 was like 2019 with Corona, ok. But 2019 was different from 2018..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 15:42:54 GMT 10
I disagree, way too many pop culture changes have happened since 2019 Shadow stage2018 -2019- The word Gen Z being used in everything - Hipster backlash starts - Pop Punk gets more traction underground - 2019- Marvel ended its OG run and started the new Multiverse era starting with Spider-man Far from Home - Billy Eillish becomes a house hold name - Lil Nas X becomes a house hold name - Covid-19 is birthed - Game of Thrones ends it's run - HBO max and Disney plus debut - mandalorian mania - Tik Tok becomes mainstream world wide - End and crash of Star Wars 2010s Trilogy - AEW debuts on TNT and becomes the first company since WCW to take on WWE 2020- Covid-19 is unleashed and creates month long lockdowns - Machine Gun Kelly releases Tickets to my downfall / Pop Punk becomes mainstream again - Joe Biden wins to be elected as the next President of the United States - Baggy jeans start to replace normal cuts for women - 2010s backlash Cheugy - Cable channel Disney UK ends their run 2021 - Joe Biden takes his seat as the new President - Squid Games mania - Fuller House ends it's run - Apple returns to making it's devices colorful like the late 90s/early 2000s - Donald Trump leaves the white house and the Trump era comes to an end - Netflix announces That 70's show is returning as that 90s show, reversing the 2006 shift ( this one was more for fun lol) - Tobey Maguire the Og of the Original Spider-man films returns in Spider-man Far from Home - Keeping up with the Kardashians finally end their run on E! - The return of movies in theatres Thank you John. Anyone with eyes to see realizes the huge shift we had in 2020 and the changes in pop culture actually started in 2019 in hindsight.
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Post by pumpkin14 on Oct 12, 2021 16:53:45 GMT 10
I don’t see see any cultural change or shift in 2019, only a minor collection of mostly fringe or small things that either ended or started, most of which not really related to the core foundation base of a new era. Nearly all these things were not even felt or noticed at any point in 2019 or most of 2020 for the most part then, no shifts or new era vibes in 2019 either imo. A chunk of 2020 is almost indistinguishable from the exact and literal pop culture of 2019 with or without Corona. It was literally frozen for a while because of it. There were some very minor yet more visible cultural changes between mid 2020 to mid to late 2021 which is now ( some effects of Cornona on pop culture ( memes, restrictions, themes of it etc), removal of trump, PS5, bedroom pop and pop punk and few other genres more noticeable, emo nostagia a bit more widespread, more visible hints of incoming y2k revival in a mainstream sense beyond forums( modular sneakers more widespread than late 10s, bell bottom jeans, more video and social content on the topic etc ) We are still a modified version of 2018-2019 until proven otherwise with more substantial cultural turning points and radical and transformative era changes, not there yet imo. Epidemics don’t shape the style and aesthetics and base of pop culture they only have a limited after effect. Music changes need to be also more radical then they are at the moment. Roughly 95 percent or a bit higher is aesthetically identical to the mid to late 2010s with only things like certain film franchises and things like hipster and casual flashy fashion mostly fading or not as common. But these were already fading in 2018, 2019. You say 2020 was like 2019 with Corona, ok. But 2019 was different from 2018.. I think the whole “2020 was like 2019 but with covid” narrative is a bit overused. Even if 2020 had certain aesthetics that were still similar to 2019, covid itself was enough to set it apart imo. Covid is uniquely 2020s (Ik it was first discovered in late 2019 but it was not a concern or even widely known until very early 2020). When ppl think of the early 2020s they will think of covid as the defining aspect of that time and 2019 (and the rest of the 2010s) will be looked at as the last days of the pre-covid world, automatically making 2019 and 2020 separate eras in most peoples minds looking back. Yes 2020 isn’t far removed from the 2010s but it still had a huge shift. 2019 set up the shift for 2020 but is still very late 2010s
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Post by slashpop on Oct 12, 2021 21:12:00 GMT 10
You say 2020 was like 2019 with Corona, ok. But 2019 was different from 2018.. I think the whole “2020 was like 2019 but with covid” narrative is a bit overused. Even if 2020 had certain aesthetics that were still similar to 2019, covid itself was enough to set it apart imo. Covid is uniquely 2020s (Ik it was first discovered in late 2019 but it was not a concern or even widely known until very early 2020). When ppl think of the early 2020s they will think of covid as the defining aspect of that time and 2019 (and the rest of the 2010s) will be looked at as the last days of the pre-covid world, automatically making 2019 and 2020 separate eras in most peoples minds looking back. Yes 2020 isn’t far removed from the 2010s but it still had a huge shift. 2019 set up the shift for 2020 but is still very late 2010s There was no pop culture/new decade era aesthetic shift in 2020, Corona is a pandemic event that caused change for sure and is notable part of of the last 2 years, that's not debatable, but it had little to no bearing on actual pop culture (fonts, films, music etc) and forming or having a part in new decade aesthetic identity. Pop culture from January 2020 to October 2021 is still largely leaning 2010s and there is no set or complete sense of what 2020s identity yet. There were more visible modifications and changes, not new or full on decade/era shifts, in mid to late 2020 to the present compared to prior, that could at least be part of or feed into what still hasn't been fully formed; 2020s decade identity. Then again it's hard to tell for sure because somethings could be just unrelated occurrences which don't necessarily mean much or don't really contribute to early 2020s culture, we will have to wait and see.
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Post by sman12 on Oct 13, 2021 5:33:48 GMT 10
You say 2020 was like 2019 with Corona, ok. But 2019 was different from 2018.. I think the whole “2020 was like 2019 but with covid” narrative is a bit overused. Even if 2020 had certain aesthetics that were still similar to 2019, covid itself was enough to set it apart imo. Covid is uniquely 2020s (Ik it was first discovered in late 2019 but it was not a concern or even widely known until very early 2020). When ppl think of the early 2020s they will think of covid as the defining aspect of that time and 2019 (and the rest of the 2010s) will be looked at as the last days of the pre-covid world, automatically making 2019 and 2020 separate eras in most peoples minds looking back. Yes 2020 isn’t far removed from the 2010s but it still had a huge shift. 2019 set up the shift for 2020 but is still very late 2010s I have to also personally agree on that. COVID will definitely define the early 2020s era when people look back on it and the mid-late March 2020 period was when the pandemic truly engulfed the world and forced systematically everyone to hunker down in their homes and adapt to a new reality of lockdown culture (ZOOM meetings, social distancing, required mask-wearing in the Western world, etc). The world will return to "normal" after the pandemic mostly subsides and becomes endemic, but we will be in a post-COVID world in terms of having more awareness and possible restrictions inspired by protocol used in the thick of the pandemic in 2020. Sure, pop culture hasn't fully changed despite the pandemic, but COVID still changed lives in more ways than one.
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Post by John Titor on Oct 13, 2021 6:50:43 GMT 10
There was 2 typos I apologize
I meant Spiderman No way home Tobey comes back and I meant Fuller House ended in 2020
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 13:24:46 GMT 10
I think the whole “2020 was like 2019 but with covid” narrative is a bit overused. Even if 2020 had certain aesthetics that were still similar to 2019, covid itself was enough to set it apart imo. Covid is uniquely 2020s (Ik it was first discovered in late 2019 but it was not a concern or even widely known until very early 2020). When ppl think of the early 2020s they will think of covid as the defining aspect of that time and 2019 (and the rest of the 2010s) will be looked at as the last days of the pre-covid world, automatically making 2019 and 2020 separate eras in most peoples minds looking back. Yes 2020 isn’t far removed from the 2010s but it still had a huge shift. 2019 set up the shift for 2020 but is still very late 2010s I have to also personally agree on that. COVID will definitely define the early 2020s era when people look back on it and the mid-late March 2020 period was when the pandemic truly engulfed the world and forced systematically everyone to hunker down in their homes and adapt to a new reality of lockdown culture (ZOOM meetings, social distancing, required mask-wearing in the Western world, etc). The world will return to "normal" after the pandemic mostly subsides and becomes endemic, but we will be in a post-COVID world in terms of having more awareness and possible restrictions inspired by protocol used in the thick of the pandemic in 2020. Sure, pop culture hasn't fully changed despite the pandemic, but COVID still changed lives in more ways than one. I agree. This terrible economy is another big thing that sets the 2020s apart from the 2010s. Few people alive today have seen the economy this bad. In regards to music and the 2020s not having an identity yet, I don't think there's been another time in modern pop music history where performances and tours were shut down like they are now. I wonder how much that has to do with why there hasn't been as many changes in music. The 1918 pandemic took place in a world of wax cylinders and the rising prominence of the 78rpm shellac record. Jazz had not taken off yet and neither had youth culture. Also, bedroom pop was big going in 2019 but it also happened to be the perfect genre for a world shut down. Lo-fi was also perfect for the times. Another thing that sets the 2020s apart is the rising threat of civil war over the question of "traditional values." The 2010s was a progressive, optimistic decade (at least in the beginning). This is shaping up to be an apocalyptic one. I believe the USA in 2029 will be unrecognizable compared to today. Fonts/typefaces have taken a neo-70s look, something you didn't see much of in the 2010s.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 13, 2021 13:44:31 GMT 10
Fonts/typefaces have taken a neo-70s look, something you didn't see much of in the 2010s. Not predominately the vast majority of fonts are identical/the same as the ones from the 2010s. You’d (average person) have to search hard to even identify a neo-70s font and associate with the 2020s I remember working in the a graphic design agency and designing packaging and hip new restaurant brand identity around 2011 ( yes before 13-15) even then 2010 styles fonts were sticking out like a sore thumb.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 7:02:33 GMT 10
You say 2020 was like 2019 with Corona, ok. But 2019 was different from 2018.. I think the whole “2020 was like 2019 but with covid” narrative is a bit overused. Even if 2020 had certain aesthetics that were still similar to 2019, covid itself was enough to set it apart imo. Covid is uniquely 2020s (Ik it was first discovered in late 2019 but it was not a concern or even widely known until very early 2020). When ppl think of the early 2020s they will think of covid as the defining aspect of that time and 2019 (and the rest of the 2010s) will be looked at as the last days of the pre-covid world, automatically making 2019 and 2020 separate eras in most peoples minds looking back. Yes 2020 isn’t far removed from the 2010s but it still had a huge shift. 2019 set up the shift for 2020 but is still very late 2010s I agree. I was just saying that because they wanted 2020 to be the same only with Corona. I agree it was an explosive year for change though with Corona, politics, etc.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Oct 17, 2021 5:20:50 GMT 10
I think the whole “2020 was like 2019 but with covid” narrative is a bit overused. Even if 2020 had certain aesthetics that were still similar to 2019, covid itself was enough to set it apart imo. Covid is uniquely 2020s (Ik it was first discovered in late 2019 but it was not a concern or even widely known until very early 2020). When ppl think of the early 2020s they will think of covid as the defining aspect of that time and 2019 (and the rest of the 2010s) will be looked at as the last days of the pre-covid world, automatically making 2019 and 2020 separate eras in most peoples minds looking back. Yes 2020 isn’t far removed from the 2010s but it still had a huge shift. 2019 set up the shift for 2020 but is still very late 2010s I agree. I was just saying that because they wanted 2020 to be the same only with Corona. I agree it was an explosive year for change though with Corona, politics, etc. Even in music. The throwback craze going on right now with The Weeknd and Dua Lipa only really started around November 2019 with "Don't Start Now" and "Blinding Lights" releasing around this time before blowing up in 2020. "Happier" by Marshmello charted at number 6 on the Billboard 2019 Year-End list, and it would NOT fit 2020 or 2021 whatsoever. I also think that "Old Town Road" (No. 1 on the 2019 YE) is a peak late 2010s song that wouldn't have been as popular if it released in 2021.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Oct 17, 2021 5:56:27 GMT 10
2019 is like quarter a shift at most. You had GOT, Avengers and Star Wars end. You had TikTok(which is basically just vine 2.0) break mainstream. Maybe AI assistants like alexa becoming popular as well but that's about it. Same memes, same music, same games, same political situation, same fashion etc. It is a 10s year just as much as any other. The year after was the real shift thanks to COVID, BLM riots and US election.
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