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Post by SharksFan99 on Mar 17, 2021 16:24:35 GMT 10
number of people holding on to the same silver boxy crt TVs they bought in 2001 or having similar TVs from then, Analogue TV's were pretty obsolete by 2011 though. I received a cheap '24 inch LCD-TV for my bedroom on my 11th birthday in 2010, for instance, and the only people I know who still owned an analogue TV by then were my grandparents (only because my Grandad stubbornly refused to upgrade for years) and Grandpop. Otherwise, the majority of households had already owned a Plasma or LCD TV for a number of years. The amount of people who still would have held on to them back in 2011 would be comparable to the number of people who still own one today; it would be pretty miniscule.
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Post by slashpop on Mar 17, 2021 17:01:38 GMT 10
number of people holding on to the same silver boxy crt TVs they bought in 2001 or having similar TVs from then, Analogue TV's were pretty obsolete by 2011 though. I received a cheap '24 inch LCD-TV for my bedroom on my 11th birthday in 2010, for instance, and the only people I know who still owned an analogue TV by then were my grandparents (only because my Grandad stubbornly refused to upgrade for years) and Grandpop. Otherwise, the majority of households had already owned a Plasma or LCD TV for a number of years. The amount of people who still would have held on to them back in 2011 would be comparable to the number of people who still own one today; it would be pretty miniscule. They were still making them until 2013+ and a lot more people had them and flat screen /crt combos even though a lot of people fully transitioned to LCD screens in 2009-2010 and even a bit earlier.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 23:55:48 GMT 10
Most certainty 2021, The thing is that 2021 is building off of things that already exist in 2011, meanwhile in 2011, A lot of things were completely different or heck didn't even exist in 2001.
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Post by Telso on Mar 20, 2021 5:16:12 GMT 10
I swear I've read a forum thread like this from 2011 where people whined how little had changed since 2001 compared to how "different times" 1991 felt back then.
I'm predicting that by 2031 the exact things are gonna be said. This time how alien and long ago 2011 seemed compared to how little has changed between 2021 and 2031.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Mar 20, 2021 8:07:38 GMT 10
I swear I've read a forum thread like this from 2011 where people whined how little had changed since 2001 compared to how "different times" 1991 felt back then. I'm predicting that by 2031 the exact things are gonna be said. This time how alien and long ago 2011 seemed compared to how little has changed between 2021 and 2031. 1991 - 2001 actually does feel like a smaller gap than 2001 - 2011. The 2000s were just BIG, a lot happened. The 2010s were more comparable to the 90s in terms of pop cultural changes.
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Post by John Titor on Mar 20, 2021 8:49:29 GMT 10
I swear I've read a forum thread like this from 2011 where people whined how little had changed since 2001 compared to how "different times" 1991 felt back then. I'm predicting that by 2031 the exact things are gonna be said. This time how alien and long ago 2011 seemed compared to how little has changed between 2021 and 2031. 1991 - 2001 actually does feel like a smaller gap than 2001 - 2011. The 2000s were just BIG, a lot happened. The 2010s were more comparable to the 90s in terms of pop cultural changes. big and dynamic, we continued the remains of the y2k era, then early 2000s post 9/11 era then the false mid 2000s then the real mid 2000s then the late dark and digital 2000s. So many eras that were ALL dynamic.
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Post by rainbow on Mar 20, 2021 10:00:02 GMT 10
I swear I've read a forum thread like this from 2011 where people whined how little had changed since 2001 compared to how "different times" 1991 felt back then. I'm predicting that by 2031 the exact things are gonna be said. This time how alien and long ago 2011 seemed compared to how little has changed between 2021 and 2031. 1991 - 2001 actually does feel like a smaller gap than 2001 - 2011. The 2000s were just BIG, a lot happened. The 2010s were more comparable to the 90s in terms of pop cultural changes. Would you also say there’s a bigger difference between 2007-2012 compared to 1997-2002?
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Post by jaydawg89 on Mar 20, 2021 13:31:53 GMT 10
This is an unpopular opinion & I'll get bashed 4 it, but I think 2001 shares slightly more in common with 1991 than 2011. 2011 shares more in common with 2021. I have a feeling in 2031, 2021 will be viewed as a different era or world like 2001 was in 2011. 2001 & 2002 seem barely removed from the late 1990s. To be fair, the 2000s were pretty changeful but, I would honestly put the 1990s a bit higher. This really depends on where you lived though, in developing countries, the 2000s were definitely more changeful than the 90s. On the otherhand, in developed countries it would probably be the other way around. For the decades since the 1980s, this is how I would rank them from the most changeful to the least changeful: 1) 1990s 2) 2000s 3) 1980s 4) 2010s Don't get me wrong here, I definitely think the 1980s and 2010s were pretty changeful in their own right but, definitely not as much as the 1990s and 2000s.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Mar 20, 2021 14:06:10 GMT 10
1991 - 2001 actually does feel like a smaller gap than 2001 - 2011. The 2000s were just BIG, a lot happened. The 2010s were more comparable to the 90s in terms of pop cultural changes. Would you also say there’s a bigger difference between 2007-2012 compared to 1997-2002? Yes tbh. 1997 and 2002 have a slightly similar vibe, they are connected by the fact that they both have very tiny Y2K cultural influences. (With the respective eras Late 90s and Early 00s overpowering it greatly, but still). 2007 and 2012 on the other hand, well 2007 is fully Late 2000s with Core 2000s, hell even Mid 2000s influences. 2012 is fully Early 2010s, with Core 2010s influences.
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Post by John Titor on Mar 21, 2021 1:04:48 GMT 10
Yes tbh. 1997 and 2002 have a slightly similar vibe, they are connected by the fact that they both have very tiny Y2K cultural influences. (With the respective eras Late 90s and Early 00s overpowering it greatly, but still). 2007 and 2012 on the other hand, well 2007 is fully Late 2000s with Core 2000s, hell even Mid 2000s influences. 2012 is fully Early 2010s, with Core 2010s influences. I agree that 1997 & 2002 have a slightly similar vibe because of the Y2K influences. Another unpopular opinion here, I consider spring 1997-winter 2002/2003 the millennium era with the Y2K era as the peak going from spring 1999-summer 2001. 2007 & 2012 r different eras. 2007 was core 2000s. 2012 was mostly ElectroPop era, but the core 2010s began fall that year. , Teen pop was dead, Britney had already transitioned to a more edgy style using the Neptunes and her producers, and Nysnc's final single was in free fall so they added NELLY to it to give it air play. Commercials stopped using y2k fonts a few months prior as well. When the y2k vibe left in summer 2001 it really packed it's bags and left. Here is February's 2002 weekly hits on the radio 
Fashion had already started moving away from the y2k era as well in 2001, as far as design, the last thing ever that had a y2k design in tech was the Apple Imac g4 Lamp that came out in 2002 (was in development in 2000) so it was going to get released regardless, and maybe some Sony Vaio computers . So a little incite into music production in 2000, many producers knew the albums coming out in 2001 could be at risk at sounding dated due to the teen pop sound fading so albums like Nsync's Celebrity or Britney's Britney had half teen pop sounding songs from Max Martin and half from The Neptunes (which was the newer producer group) as a fail safe incase something happened in the sound of music changing(which it did BTW)
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Post by slashpop on Mar 21, 2021 23:52:33 GMT 10
Hardly any y2k influences if I may be honest, Teen pop was dead, Britney had already transitioned to a more edgy style using the Neptunes and her producers, and Nysnc's final single was in free fall so they added NELLY to it to give it air play. Commercials stopped using y2k fonts a few months prior as well. When the y2k vibe left in summer 2001 it really packed it's bags and left. Here is February's 2002 weekly hits on the radio
Fashion had already started moving away from the y2k era as well in 2001, as far as design, the last thing ever that had a y2k design in tech was the Apple Imac g4 Lamp that came out in 2002 (was in development in 2000) so it was going to get released regardless, and maybe some Sony Vaio computers . So a little incite into music production in 2000, many producers knew the albums coming out in 2001 could be at risk at sounding dated due to the teen pop sound fading so albums like Nsync's Celebrity or Britney's Britney had half teen pop sounding songs from Max Martin and half from The Neptunes (which was the newer producer group) as a fail safe incase something happened in the sound of music changing(which it did BTW)
Oh yeah I’m not denying any of that. By fall 2001, Y2K era was gone & the early 2000s were here. I’ll admit that the Y2K era was declining spring-summer 2001, maybe signs of decline as early as spring 2000 with the stock market crash or bubble burst. 2000 does seem warn out culturally compared 2 1999 with the Y2K crash never happening & nothing new. 2002 was peak early 2000s as it was post 9/11 & pre Iraq War. 2002 may not be a part of the Y2K era, but no way can I consider 2002 core 2000s like I can 4 2003. 2002 seems closer 2 the late 1990s & Y2K era than core & mid 2000s or @ best 2002 was equidistant from both periods. Very tiny sprinkles of mid 2003 vibes were felt in October-December 2002 but 2002 overall it was like 96 percent identical to late 2001. Yes May to August 2000 was already transitioning but it could also be seen as the last genuine phase of Y2K era from a different perspective but to be me it wasn’t pure. 2000-2001 was one big transition.
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Post by John Titor on Mar 22, 2021 4:22:49 GMT 10
Oh yeah I’m not denying any of that. By fall 2001, Y2K era was gone & the early 2000s were here. I’ll admit that the Y2K era was declining spring-summer 2001, maybe signs of decline as early as spring 2000 with the stock market crash or bubble burst. 2000 does seem warn out culturally compared 2 1999 with the Y2K crash never happening & nothing new. 2002 was peak early 2000s as it was post 9/11 & pre Iraq War. 2002 may not be a part of the Y2K era, but no way can I consider 2002 core 2000s like I can 4 2003. 2002 seems closer 2 the late 1990s & Y2K era than core & mid 2000s or @ best 2002 was equidistant from both periods. Very tiny sprinkles of mid 2003 vibes were felt in October-December 2002 but 2002 overall it was like 96 percent identical to late 2001. Yes May to August 2000 was already transitioning but it could also be seen as the last genuine phase of Y2K era from a different perspective but to be me it wasn’t pure. 2000-2001 was one big transition. That last real big y2k gimmick fad to me was when Game Boy Advance released over that Summer, it was everywhere. Even tho GBA is not a y2k device per say (SP )it was the last big hurrah moment for that era.
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Post by John Titor on Mar 22, 2021 5:28:11 GMT 10
Very tiny sprinkles of mid 2003 vibes were felt in October-December 2002 but 2002 overall it was like 96 percent identical to late 2001. Yes May to August 2000 was already transitioning but it could also be seen as the last genuine phase of Y2K era from a different perspective but to be me it wasn’t pure. 2000-2001 was one big transition. I can c the case 4 very tiny sprinkles of mid 2003 vibes in 4th quarter 2002. 50 Cents album which got popular in 2003, “Get Rich or Die Tryin’” came out in November 2002 4 instance. Other than that I’ve always seen 2002 as a continuation or extension of late 2001. Before I always felt that late 1997-early 2000 was pure late 1990s, with the Y2K era comprising of late 1990s & early 2000s culture. Early 2000 was the last time people were positive. I used 2 believe mid 2000-mid 2001 was the transition from late 1990s-early 2000s culturally. Throughout the transition, people were slowly losing hope & optimism with the bubble burst, stock market crash, Bush election/inauguration, recession. Maybe that could attribute 2 the time period feeling long in the tooth. I still c that by September 11, 2001, the early 2000s arrived & the hope or optimism were lost. 2000 leaned late 1990s or Y2K, while 2001 leaned early 2000s. I agree on 2000-2001 being a huge transition. Late 2001 felt like a different era from early 2000. Get rich or die trying came out in 2003 not 2002 in regards to 2000-2001 def night and day from 2001-2002 school year 100% night and day. With the Summer of 2001 kind of being a mix. That whole summer of 2001 I was either at camp, Massachusetts or Hampton Beach Nh. The vibe felt slow but you could feel a change was coming. It was similar to how in 2019 things felt slow and long in the tooth and when is a change going to get here feeling.
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Post by John Titor on Mar 22, 2021 5:38:57 GMT 10
Very tiny sprinkles of mid 2003 vibes were felt in October-December 2002 but 2002 overall it was like 96 percent identical to late 2001. Yes May to August 2000 was already transitioning but it could also be seen as the last genuine phase of Y2K era from a different perspective but to be me it wasn’t pure. 2000-2001 was one big transition. I can c the case 4 very tiny sprinkles of mid 2003 vibes in 4th quarter 2002. 50 Cents album which got popular in 2003, “Get Rich or Die Tryin’” came out in November 2002 4 instance. Other than that I’ve always seen 2002 as a continuation or extension of late 2001. Before I always felt that late 1997-early 2000 was pure late 1990s, with the Y2K era comprising of late 1990s & early 2000s culture. Early 2000 was the last time people were positive. I used 2 believe mid 2000-mid 2001 was the transition from late 1990s-early 2000s culturally. Throughout the transition, people were slowly losing hope & optimism with the bubble burst, stock market crash, Bush election/inauguration, recession. Maybe that could attribute 2 the time period feeling long in the tooth. I still c that by September 11, 2001, the early 2000s arrived & the hope or optimism were lost. 2000 leaned late 1990s or Y2K, while 2001 leaned early 2000s. I agree on 2000-2001 being a huge transition. Late 2001 felt like a different era from early 2000. I am going to be doing a new atmosphere for either June or July or August 2001 Part 2 with added annotations and pop up information, stay tuned
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Post by dudewitdausername on Mar 23, 2021 9:01:54 GMT 10
Musically: slightly leaning 2021
Politically: neither (all three have different Democrat presidents)
Socially: 2001 (one reason why: COVID-19. Smartphones might've affected social attitudes but 1, they weren't owned by everyone in 2011, like they were by 2013, and 2, COVID did a lot more.)
Economically: 2001 (again, COVID-19. Also, 2001 had a mini-recession and 2011 was still suffering from the 2008 recession.)
Technologically: 2021
Based on this, it actually seems equal.
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