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Post by rainbow on Mar 23, 2021 12:16:46 GMT 10
Musically: slightly leaning 2021 Politically: neither (all three have different Democrat presidents) Socially: 2001 (one reason why: COVID-19. Smartphones might've affected social attitudes but 1, they weren't owned by everyone in 2011, like they were by 2013, and 2, COVID did a lot more.) Economically: 2001 (again, COVID-19. Also, 2001 had a mini-recession and 2011 was still suffering from the 2008 recession.) Technologically: 2021 Based on this, it actually seems equal. Disagree that it was socially closer to 2001. It was definitely more like 2021 with the popularity of Facebook and Twitter, and while they may not be used as much as they were back then, they are still around today, whereas in 2001 they were non-existent. 2001 was still pretty much pre-social media despite the Internet being a thing by that point. Sure, more people had smartphones in 2013 than 2011, but smartphone popularity was still rising by then. 2001 was essentially pre-smartphone which is a much bigger difference IMO. By 2011, we were already heading into a more liberal direction with the rise of LGBT acceptance and more political correctness (albeit nowhere near as bad as today) social attitudes definitely changed a lot during the early 2010's. 2001 (especially after 9/11) seemed much more conservative by comparison IMO.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Mar 23, 2021 12:42:38 GMT 10
Musically: slightly leaning 2021 Politically: neither (all three have different Democrat presidents) Socially: 2001 (one reason why: COVID-19. Smartphones might've affected social attitudes but 1, they weren't owned by everyone in 2011, like they were by 2013, and 2, COVID did a lot more.) Economically: 2001 (again, COVID-19. Also, 2001 had a mini-recession and 2011 was still suffering from the 2008 recession.) Technologically: 2021 Based on this, it actually seems equal. Disagree that it was socially closer to 2001. It was definitely more like 2021 with the popularity of Facebook and Twitter, and while they may not be used as much as they were back then, they are still around today, whereas in 2001 they were non-existent. 2001 was still pretty much pre-social media despite the Internet being a thing by that point. Sure, more people had smartphones in 2013 than 2011, but smartphone popularity was still rising by then. 2001 was essentially pre-smartphone which is a much bigger difference IMO. By 2011, we were already heading into a more liberal direction with the rise of LGBT acceptance and more political correctness (albeit nowhere near as bad as today) social attitudes definitely changed a lot during the early 2010's. 2001 (especially after 9/11) seemed much more conservative by comparison IMO. Smartphones were a big deal but had less of an effect than COVID does in the bigger picture. Even so, not everyone had one in 2011, a lot of people were still using slider phones and a big part of the transition to the modern smartphone happened in 2012-2013. If someone from 2011 travelled in time to 2021, it would be much more of a shock socially than if someone from 2001 travelled to 2011. Concerts and parties were socially acceptable in 2001 and 2011. In 2021 they don't happen and if they do they are criticised heavily. Both the classes of 2001 and 2011 had a big graduation, parties, etc., The class of 2021 doesn't get that. Overall, I think it depends on if you remember them all. If you're like me and don't remember/weren't alive in 2001 but do remember/were alive in 2011 and 2021, 2011-2021 are obviously going to seem more similar than 2001-2011.
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Post by John Titor on Mar 24, 2021 1:01:48 GMT 10
Disagree that it was socially closer to 2001. It was definitely more like 2021 with the popularity of Facebook and Twitter, and while they may not be used as much as they were back then, they are still around today, whereas in 2001 they were non-existent. 2001 was still pretty much pre-social media despite the Internet being a thing by that point. Sure, more people had smartphones in 2013 than 2011, but smartphone popularity was still rising by then. 2001 was essentially pre-smartphone which is a much bigger difference IMO. By 2011, we were already heading into a more liberal direction with the rise of LGBT acceptance and more political correctness (albeit nowhere near as bad as today) social attitudes definitely changed a lot during the early 2010's. 2001 (especially after 9/11) seemed much more conservative by comparison IMO. Smartphones were a big deal but had less of an effect than COVID does in the bigger picture. Even so, not everyone had one in 2011, a lot of people were still using slider phones and a big part of the transition to the modern smartphone happened in 2012-2013. If someone from 2011 travelled in time to 2021, it would be much more of a shock socially than if someone from 2001 travelled to 2011. Concerts and parties were socially acceptable in 2001 and 2011. In 2021 they don't happen and if they do they are criticised heavily. Both the classes of 2001 and 2011 had a big graduation, parties, etc., The class of 2021 doesn't get that. Overall, I think it depends on if you remember them all. If you're like me and don't remember/weren't alive in 2001 but do remember/were alive in 2011 and 2021, 2011-2021 are obviously going to seem more similar than 2001-2011. was alive in 8th grade for late 2001 and it's not even in the same sentence as 2011 or 2021 lol
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Post by slashpop on Mar 24, 2021 3:43:16 GMT 10
Smartphones were a big deal but had less of an effect than COVID does in the bigger picture. Even so, not everyone had one in 2011, a lot of people were still using slider phones and a big part of the transition to the modern smartphone happened in 2012-2013. If someone from 2011 travelled in time to 2021, it would be much more of a shock socially than if someone from 2001 travelled to 2011. Concerts and parties were socially acceptable in 2001 and 2011. In 2021 they don't happen and if they do they are criticised heavily. Both the classes of 2001 and 2011 had a big graduation, parties, etc., The class of 2021 doesn't get that. Overall, I think it depends on if you remember them all. If you're like me and don't remember/weren't alive in 2001 but do remember/were alive in 2011 and 2021, 2011-2021 are obviously going to seem more similar than 2001-2011. was alive in 8th grade for late 2001 and it's not even in the same sentence as 2011 or 2021 lol Yeah pretty much, I don’t get why it’s such a hard concept to grasp that pop culture is not a pandemic. 2011 was just an earlier building block within the same culture of today.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Mar 24, 2021 4:19:18 GMT 10
was alive in 8th grade for late 2001 and it's not even in the same sentence as 2011 or 2021 lol Yeah pretty much, I don’t get why it’s such a hard concept to grasp that pop culture is not a pandemic. 2011 was just an earlier building block within the same culture of today. That pandemic has effected literally every part of today's culture. The idea here that the pandemic is not the most important part of the general vibe of 2021 is very flawed and missing the bigger picture by a long shot. This pandemic has effected the lives of literally every person in the world. Music and internet culture, again, isn't "pop culture" as a whole. You know what was a huge part of pop culture in both 2001 and 2011? Concerts, parties, nightclubs. None of those are around in 2021. I don't know why it's such a hard concept for people here to grasp that COVID-19 has a HUGE effect on today's culture. It's like people here are trying to hide this huge elephant in the room under a blanket.
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Post by John Titor on Mar 24, 2021 5:03:32 GMT 10
Yeah pretty much, I don’t get why it’s such a hard concept to grasp that pop culture is not a pandemic. 2011 was just an earlier building block within the same culture of today. That pandemic has effected literally every part of today's culture. The idea here that the pandemic is not the most important part of the general vibe of 2021 is very flawed and missing the bigger picture by a long shot. This pandemic has effected the lives of literally every person in the world. Music and internet culture, again, isn't "pop culture" as a whole. You know what was a huge part of pop culture in both 2001 and 2011? Concerts, parties, nightclubs. None of those are around in 2021. I don't know why it's such a hard concept for people here to grasp that COVID-19 has a HUGE effect on today's culture. It's like people here are trying to hide this huge elephant in the room under a blanket. I can speak for myself by saying this Pandemic changed everything we do effected the lives of millions of people but it is not closer to 2001 at all even tho there was pandemic. It is like comparing apples and oranges 2 different vibes/universes going on. The energy and just the vibe was different from 2011 and even 2021. There is literally nothing about 2001 that feels like 2021 at all from pop culture, to video games to movies to using Aol dial up etc. The way we watch tv is different as well with streaming services, where back in the day everyone in class was watching the same show LIVE as it happened. 1991, 2001, 2011 (with 2011 having a little bit more ground connecting2021) all feel completely different living in them, it's not that fair comparing them
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Post by slashpop on Mar 24, 2021 5:36:33 GMT 10
Yeah pretty much, I don’t get why it’s such a hard concept to grasp that pop culture is not a pandemic. 2011 was just an earlier building block within the same culture of today. That pandemic has effected literally every part of today's culture. The idea here that the pandemic is not the most important part of the general vibe of 2021 is very flawed and missing the bigger picture by a long shot. This pandemic has effected the lives of literally every person in the world. Music and internet culture, again, isn't "pop culture" as a whole. You know what was a huge part of pop culture in both 2001 and 2011? Concerts, parties, nightclubs. None of those are around in 2021. I don't know why it's such a hard concept for people here to grasp that COVID-19 has a HUGE effect on today's culture. It's like people here are trying to hide this huge elephant in the room under a blanket. Fashion, music, tech trends and innovations, kids and adult fads or crazes, movies, cultural and political attitudes, food trends, style vibes, graphic trends , new groundbreaking inventions, internet culture, color palettes, make up and hair trends, building design, product design etc I see as the core aspects of pop culture and politics, disasters or pandemics can only change them if there is a radical enough effect that shifts them into something entirely different than what they were previously, and so pop culture in this regard is mostly the same since 2019. Concerts, parties nightclubs just reflect pre existing style trends, popular or pre existing music , food trends and era aesthetics
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Post by dudewitdausername on Mar 24, 2021 6:02:13 GMT 10
That pandemic has effected literally every part of today's culture. The idea here that the pandemic is not the most important part of the general vibe of 2021 is very flawed and missing the bigger picture by a long shot. This pandemic has effected the lives of literally every person in the world. Music and internet culture, again, isn't "pop culture" as a whole. You know what was a huge part of pop culture in both 2001 and 2011? Concerts, parties, nightclubs. None of those are around in 2021. I don't know why it's such a hard concept for people here to grasp that COVID-19 has a HUGE effect on today's culture. It's like people here are trying to hide this huge elephant in the room under a blanket. Fashion, music, tech trends and innovations, kids and adult fads or crazes, movies, cultural and political attitudes, food trends, style vibes, graphic trends , new groundbreaking inventions, internet culture, color palettes, make up and hair trends, building design, product design etc I see as the core aspects of pop culture and politics, disasters or pandemics can only change them if there is a radical enough effect that shifts them into something entirely different than what they were previously, and so pop culture in this regard is mostly the same since 2019. Concerts, parties nightclubs just reflect pre existing style trends, popular or pre existing music , food trends and era aesthetics Even still, COVID is an unignorable elephant in the room that most people on this board try to ignore. In 2040, the first thing that comes to people's minds when they think of 2021 won't be the music trends, internet culture, or color palettes, like 2018 and 2019 might be, it will be COVID.
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Post by slashpop on Mar 24, 2021 7:05:39 GMT 10
Fashion, music, tech trends and innovations, kids and adult fads or crazes, movies, cultural and political attitudes, food trends, style vibes, graphic trends , new groundbreaking inventions, internet culture, color palettes, make up and hair trends, building design, product design etc I see as the core aspects of pop culture and politics, disasters or pandemics can only change them if there is a radical enough effect that shifts them into something entirely different than what they were previously, and so pop culture in this regard is mostly the same since 2019. Concerts, parties nightclubs just reflect pre existing style trends, popular or pre existing music , food trends and era aesthetics Even still, COVID is an unignorable elephant in the room that most people on this board try to ignore. In 2040, the first thing that comes to people's minds when they think of 2021 won't be the music trends, internet culture, or color palettes, like 2018 and 2019 might be, it will be COVID. Covid and it’s effects will be remembered but the vast majority of pop culture will be remembered for mostly being like 2019 overall, inseparable from nearly every very trend then and still active, alive and not altered enough due to the pandemic. If covid has a way to completely erase or drastically reshape most of the core aspects of pop culture someday then I think it may get more credit at most in this regard but big aspects of pop culture will still mostly likely continue mostly uninterrupted, more than mostly being a mirror of the state of pandemic or radically reshaped entirely from it.
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Post by mc98 on Mar 24, 2021 9:27:24 GMT 10
Disagree that it was socially closer to 2001. It was definitely more like 2021 with the popularity of Facebook and Twitter, and while they may not be used as much as they were back then, they are still around today, whereas in 2001 they were non-existent. 2001 was still pretty much pre-social media despite the Internet being a thing by that point. Sure, more people had smartphones in 2013 than 2011, but smartphone popularity was still rising by then. 2001 was essentially pre-smartphone which is a much bigger difference IMO. By 2011, we were already heading into a more liberal direction with the rise of LGBT acceptance and more political correctness (albeit nowhere near as bad as today) social attitudes definitely changed a lot during the early 2010's. 2001 (especially after 9/11) seemed much more conservative by comparison IMO. Smartphones were a big deal but had less of an effect than COVID does in the bigger picture. Even so, not everyone had one in 2011, a lot of people were still using slider phones and a big part of the transition to the modern smartphone happened in 2012-2013. If someone from 2011 travelled in time to 2021, it would be much more of a shock socially than if someone from 2001 travelled to 2011. Concerts and parties were socially acceptable in 2001 and 2011. In 2021 they don't happen and if they do they are criticised heavily. Both the classes of 2001 and 2011 had a big graduation, parties, etc., The class of 2021 doesn't get that. Overall, I think it depends on if you remember them all. If you're like me and don't remember/weren't alive in 2001 but do remember/were alive in 2011 and 2021, 2011-2021 are obviously going to seem more similar than 2001-2011. Well, sure 2011 didn't have as much smartphones as 2013 but there were no smartphones at all in 2001. The most popular cellphones in 2001 were those Nokia brick phones.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Mar 24, 2021 11:09:05 GMT 10
Smartphones were a big deal but had less of an effect than COVID does in the bigger picture. Even so, not everyone had one in 2011, a lot of people were still using slider phones and a big part of the transition to the modern smartphone happened in 2012-2013. If someone from 2011 travelled in time to 2021, it would be much more of a shock socially than if someone from 2001 travelled to 2011. Concerts and parties were socially acceptable in 2001 and 2011. In 2021 they don't happen and if they do they are criticised heavily. Both the classes of 2001 and 2011 had a big graduation, parties, etc., The class of 2021 doesn't get that. Overall, I think it depends on if you remember them all. If you're like me and don't remember/weren't alive in 2001 but do remember/were alive in 2011 and 2021, 2011-2021 are obviously going to seem more similar than 2001-2011. Well, sure 2011 didn't have as much smartphones as 2013 but there were no smartphones at all in 2001. The most popular cellphones in 2001 were those Nokia brick phones. Ok, let's say 2001 was 0% Smartphones, 2011 was 50% Smartphones, and 2021 is 100% Smartphones. That seems pretty gradual to me.
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Post by rainbow on Mar 24, 2021 13:27:38 GMT 10
Well, sure 2011 didn't have as much smartphones as 2013 but there were no smartphones at all in 2001. The most popular cellphones in 2001 were those Nokia brick phones. Ok, let's say 2001 was 0% Smartphones, 2011 was 50% Smartphones, and 2021 is 100% Smartphones. That seems pretty gradual to me. That still makes it more like 2021 IMO just because of the mere presence of smartphones in 2011. Apps were already popular by that point, and not to mention the iPad was released the previous year.
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Post by slashpop on Mar 24, 2021 22:20:23 GMT 10
2001 has more in common with 1995 than 2011.
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Post by John Titor on Mar 25, 2021 2:13:28 GMT 10
2001 has more in common with 1995 than 2011. exactly, 2001 is nowhere near 2011 or 2021 lol 2001 is def one of those "you had to been there " years to get. so many elements of that year, like how it started long in the tooth with brain dead gimmicks, then by Fall went super charge with 9/11, music,pop culture, xbox , Gamecube, GTA etc. There is not other year like it. The vibe was just different. The energy of the early 2000s in general HITS different
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Post by dudewitdausername on Mar 25, 2021 3:13:05 GMT 10
2001 has more in common with 1995 than 2011. Well, I mean, it is closer to 1995 than 2011, so that would be obvious.
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