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Post by John Titor on Apr 10, 2022 13:30:08 GMT 10
2004 to 2007 sounds about right if we're talking about there being very minimal influence from the surrounding decades. For core 00s I would say somewhere in 2004 - Q4 2008. 2003 is definitely core 2000s. Especially with the Iraq War, 50 Cent, Windows XP becoming the #1 version of Windows, the premiere of shows like the OC, and the start of the McBling era. Look at all these shows that debuted in 2003, DAMN POWER HOUSE LOL        
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 10, 2022 13:39:36 GMT 10
Yeah. I could say August or September 2004 to May or June 2007 was the purest the 2000s got. Another reason why the pure 2000s started to wane in mid 2007 (in the wrestling sense) was Chris Benoit's double-murder suicide that truly changed the WWE forever and was a huge reason it became PG, as well as wrestling's reputation being tarnished. And the Ruthless Aggression era started to gradually die out then imo. I was just going to mention this, The Benoit murder suicides killed Wrestling ( aside from Wrestlemania 24) until 2010 pretty much. That was on the news 24/7, Wrestling lost all the popularity it had left during that time frame. Tech it was still Ruthless Aggression in 2007 but WWE started lighting the crowd on Raw like they did in 2008, You saw like the HD PG aesthetics in late December 07/Early Jan already come into play even before they replaced the stages Damn I didn't even know it was HD in Dec 2007/early Jan 2008 before the stage change. Wow. I think JR being drafted to SmackDown and WWE officially going from a TV-14 to PG rating (which also ended the Ruthless Aggression era officially) would be when the core 2000s era of WWE ended (when it started was probably sometime around 2003, could be when Austin retired, Kane unmasked for the first time, or 2004 when Brock Lesnar and Goldberg left the company and Benoit won the title at Wrestlemania XX).
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 10, 2022 13:40:57 GMT 10
I would say the Pure 2000s started in May 2004 (The released of Mean Girls) through 1st Half 2007 (Pre-IPhone released). Good take as well, That Summer ( tho transitional af) still had pure 2000s vibes sprinkled Yeah. Mid 2004 definitely had HEAVY core 2000s vibes but was the absolute last stretch of the Millennium era, as well as the early 2000s in general.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 10, 2022 13:44:17 GMT 10
Good take as well, That Summer ( tho transitional af) still had pure 2000s vibes sprinkled Yeah. Mid 2004 definitely had HEAVY core 2000s vibes but was the absolute last stretch of the Millennium era, as well as the early 2000s in general. Mid 2004 might have some early 2000s elements, but it doesn't come off as millennium era at all. We had Pimp My Ride, McBling, digital cameras, Windows XP was ubiquitous. I think this was actually when broadband became more popular than dial-up. I personally regard mid 2004 as the start of the mid 2000s, and late 2004 solidified it (My Chemical Romance, GTA: SA, Half-Life 2, World of Warcraft).
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 10, 2022 13:45:15 GMT 10
2004 to 2007 sounds about right if we're talking about there being very minimal influence from the surrounding decades. For core 00s I would say somewhere in 2004 - Q4 2008. 2003 is definitely core 2000s. Especially with the Iraq War, 50 Cent, Windows XP becoming the #1 version of Windows, the premiere of shows like the OC, and the start of the McBling era. Yeah, I could absolutely see a case for all of 2003 to be core 2000s, but while 2003 had major core 2000s influence, I think early-mid 2003 was still Millennium as the O.C. didn't debut yet, or One Tree Hill, Outkast's most defining album of the 2000s didn't release until September, and the guys that would help define the 2000s era of the NBA weren't drafted or had not yet played an NBA game yet. And the millennium vibes were still strong around that time compared to late 2003-mid 2004 when it really diminished. But politically, I guess because of the Iraq War, 2003 could be core 2000s in that sense.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 10, 2022 13:47:40 GMT 10
Yeah. Mid 2004 definitely had HEAVY core 2000s vibes but was the absolute last stretch of the Millennium era, as well as the early 2000s in general. Mid 2004 might have some early 2000s elements, but it doesn't come off as millennium era at all. We had Pimp My Ride, McBling, digital cameras, Windows XP was ubiquitous. I think this was actually when broadband became more popular than dial-up. I personally regard mid 2004 as the start of the mid 2000s, and late 2004 solidified it (My Chemical Romance, GTA: SA, Half-Life 2, World of Warcraft). The Millennium era completely ended in either early 2004 (winter 2004) or mid 2004 (spring 2004, summer is a stretch but at the absolute latest). But yeah, I think mid 2004 was surely mid 2000s overall, despite Friends and Rugrats ending. I mean, CN City started around that time and Mean Girls released as well as White Chicks. Early 2004 can be early 2000s I guess. Late 2004 is no doubt 100% core 2000s though (late 2004-early 2005 might have some millennium influence but the era is completely gone).
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Post by John Titor on Apr 10, 2022 13:59:14 GMT 10
I was just going to mention this, The Benoit murder suicides killed Wrestling ( aside from Wrestlemania 24) until 2010 pretty much. That was on the news 24/7, Wrestling lost all the popularity it had left during that time frame. Tech it was still Ruthless Aggression in 2007 but WWE started lighting the crowd on Raw like they did in 2008, You saw like the HD PG aesthetics in late December 07/Early Jan already come into play even before they replaced the stages Damn I didn't even know it was HD in Dec 2007/early Jan 2008 before the stage change. Wow. I think JR being drafted to SmackDown and WWE officially going from a TV-14 to PG rating (which also ended the Ruthless Aggression era officially) would be when the core 2000s era of WWE ended (when it started was probably sometime around 2003, could be when Austin retired, Kane unmasked for the first time, or 2004 when Brock Lesnar and Goldberg left the company and Benoit won the title at Wrestlemania XX). Yeah, the era kind of ended unofficially in 2007 before the real ending in Summer 08, I hated the Raw mood lighting btw. I would say the core 2000s WWE era started in April 2002 while it was still WWF and not WWE
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Post by astropoug on Apr 10, 2022 14:02:02 GMT 10
Mid 2004 might have some early 2000s elements, but it doesn't come off as millennium era at all. We had Pimp My Ride, McBling, digital cameras, Windows XP was ubiquitous. I think this was actually when broadband became more popular than dial-up. I personally regard mid 2004 as the start of the mid 2000s, and late 2004 solidified it (My Chemical Romance, GTA: SA, Half-Life 2, World of Warcraft). The Millennium era completely ended in either early 2004 (winter 2004) or mid 2004 (spring 2004, summer is a stretch but at the absolute latest). But yeah, I think mid 2004 was surely mid 2000s overall, despite Friends and Rugrats ending. I mean, CN City started around that time and Mean Girls released as well as White Chicks. Early 2004 can be early 2000s I guess. Late 2004 is no doubt 100% core 2000s though (late 2004-early 2005 might have some millennium influence but the era is completely gone). Friends and Rugrats ending is actually evidence of mid 2004 being the start of the mid 2000s and end of the millennium era, since the early 2000s are characterized by still having some 90s influence. Spider-Man 2 and Shrek 2 also came out in mid 2004. IMO, I'd argue Home on the Range is the last movie of the millennium era, since it was Disney's last 2D animated movie, before they switched to computer animation.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 10, 2022 14:03:52 GMT 10
Damn I didn't even know it was HD in Dec 2007/early Jan 2008 before the stage change. Wow. I think JR being drafted to SmackDown and WWE officially going from a TV-14 to PG rating (which also ended the Ruthless Aggression era officially) would be when the core 2000s era of WWE ended (when it started was probably sometime around 2003, could be when Austin retired, Kane unmasked for the first time, or 2004 when Brock Lesnar and Goldberg left the company and Benoit won the title at Wrestlemania XX). Yeah, the era kind of ended unofficially in 2007 before the real ending in Summer 08, I hated the Raw mood lighting btw. I would say the core 2000s WWE era started in April 2002 while it was still WWF and not WWE I think that's a little early but April 2002 makes sense because of the new Raw stage and the introduction of the Undisputed Title. A new era began and it was the beginning of the brand extension era. April 1st 2002 is one of the markers used for the start of the Ruthless Aggression era. Q1 2002 WWF was definitely nowhere near the core 2000s though. Q2-Q4 2002 you could make the debate for. Basically making the whole Ruthless Aggression era the core 2000s, the PG era the electropop era, and the Attitude era the Millennium era.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 10, 2022 14:05:08 GMT 10
The Millennium era completely ended in either early 2004 (winter 2004) or mid 2004 (spring 2004, summer is a stretch but at the absolute latest). But yeah, I think mid 2004 was surely mid 2000s overall, despite Friends and Rugrats ending. I mean, CN City started around that time and Mean Girls released as well as White Chicks. Early 2004 can be early 2000s I guess. Late 2004 is no doubt 100% core 2000s though (late 2004-early 2005 might have some millennium influence but the era is completely gone). Friends and Rugrats ending is actually evidence of mid 2004 being the start of the mid 2000s and end of the millennium era, since the early 2000s are characterized by still having some 90s influence. Spider-Man 2 and Shrek 2 also came out in mid 2004. IMO, I'd argue Home on the Range is the last movie of the millennium era, since it was Disney's last 2D animated movie, before they switched to computer animation. Technically, the Princess and the Frog was the VERY last and that came out in 2009. Anything after that NEVER used 2D animation again. So another reason why 2009 was the end of an era.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 10, 2022 14:25:47 GMT 10
Friends and Rugrats ending is actually evidence of mid 2004 being the start of the mid 2000s and end of the millennium era, since the early 2000s are characterized by still having some 90s influence. Spider-Man 2 and Shrek 2 also came out in mid 2004. IMO, I'd argue Home on the Range is the last movie of the millennium era, since it was Disney's last 2D animated movie, before they switched to computer animation. Technically, the Princess and the Frog was the VERY last and that came out in 2009. Anything after that NEVER used 2D animation again. So another reason why 2009 was the end of an era. Actually, the very last was Winnie the Pooh from 2011, yet another example of 2000s influence in 2011. But the 2000s is associated with CGI animated movies, mostly from Pixar, Dreamworks, and to a lesser extent, Blue Sky. Personally, I'd argue the peak years for 2000s animated movies (at least in regards to the overall vibe) were from 2004 to 2007. Cause 2003 you still had Warner Bros Animation, and Dreamworks still made 2D animated movies. 2008 is when the Disney revival is sometimes said to have begun with the release of Bolt. In 2003 you had plenty of millennium era influences in both animated and live-action movies. I can't think of a better example for the latter than the two Matrix sequels.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 10, 2022 14:29:51 GMT 10
Technically, the Princess and the Frog was the VERY last and that came out in 2009. Anything after that NEVER used 2D animation again. So another reason why 2009 was the end of an era. Actually, the very last was Winnie the Pooh from 2011, yet another example of 2000s influence in 2011. But the 2000s is associated with CGI animated movies, mostly from Pixar, Dreamworks, and to a lesser extent, Blue Sky. Personally, I'd argue the peak years for 2000s animated movies (at least in regards to the overall vibe) were from 2004 to 2007. Cause 2003 you still had Warner Bros Animation, and Dreamworks still made 2D animated movies. 2008 is when the Disney revival is sometimes said to have begun with the release of Bolt. In 2003 you had plenty of millennium era influences in both animated and live-action movies. I can't think of a better example for the latter than the two Matrix sequels. Seriously?!? I did not know that. Yeah, 2011 still had a major 00s presence. It's definitely the last year that you could remotely make a case for the cultural 00s imo. I know many people say 2012 but I think that's a stretch as 2012 introduced things that were so 10s like The Amazing Spider-Man is not 00s at all. A lot of things that from that time period truly distinguished itself as 10s by that time (even in later 2011 as well). In terms of millennium era movies, Spy Kids 1-3 (especially the first two) were VERY Millennium (noticeable Y2K influence). And despite Sharkboy and Lavagirl being a core 00s movie (coming out in 2005 of all years), it had that Millennium vibe in terms of animation.
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Post by mc98 on Apr 10, 2022 14:36:16 GMT 10
Actually, the very last was Winnie the Pooh from 2011, yet another example of 2000s influence in 2011. But the 2000s is associated with CGI animated movies, mostly from Pixar, Dreamworks, and to a lesser extent, Blue Sky. Personally, I'd argue the peak years for 2000s animated movies (at least in regards to the overall vibe) were from 2004 to 2007. Cause 2003 you still had Warner Bros Animation, and Dreamworks still made 2D animated movies. 2008 is when the Disney revival is sometimes said to have begun with the release of Bolt. In 2003 you had plenty of millennium era influences in both animated and live-action movies. I can't think of a better example for the latter than the two Matrix sequels. Seriously?!? I did not know that. Yeah, 2011 still had a major 00s presence. It's definitely the last year that you could remotely make a case for the cultural 00s imo. I know many people say 2012 but I think that's a stretch as 2012 introduced things that were so 10s like The Amazing Spider-Man is not 00s at all. A lot of things that from that time period truly distinguished itself as 10s by that time (even in later 2011 as well). In terms of millennium era movies, Spy Kids 1-3 (especially the first two) were VERY Millennium (noticeable Y2K influence). And despite Sharkboy and Lavagirl being a core 00s movie (coming out in 2005 of all years), it had that Millennium vibe in terms of animation. Nah, 2011 had too much established 2010s trends to be a part of the cultural 2000s.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 10, 2022 14:39:04 GMT 10
Seriously?!? I did not know that. Yeah, 2011 still had a major 00s presence. It's definitely the last year that you could remotely make a case for the cultural 00s imo. I know many people say 2012 but I think that's a stretch as 2012 introduced things that were so 10s like The Amazing Spider-Man is not 00s at all. A lot of things that from that time period truly distinguished itself as 10s by that time (even in later 2011 as well). In terms of millennium era movies, Spy Kids 1-3 (especially the first two) were VERY Millennium (noticeable Y2K influence). And despite Sharkboy and Lavagirl being a core 00s movie (coming out in 2005 of all years), it had that Millennium vibe in terms of animation. Nah, 2011 had too much established 2010s trends to be a part of the cultural 2000s. I agree. I was just saying that you could make the argument. I think maybe the first half could, especially early 2011, but 2010 is the last real year that I would say was the cultural 2000s, but even then it's very 50/50. It didn't truly fit in either decade.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 10, 2022 14:40:05 GMT 10
Seriously?!? I did not know that. Yeah, 2011 still had a major 00s presence. It's definitely the last year that you could remotely make a case for the cultural 00s imo. I know many people say 2012 but I think that's a stretch as 2012 introduced things that were so 10s like The Amazing Spider-Man is not 00s at all. A lot of things that from that time period truly distinguished itself as 10s by that time (even in later 2011 as well). In terms of millennium era movies, Spy Kids 1-3 (especially the first two) were VERY Millennium (noticeable Y2K influence). And despite Sharkboy and Lavagirl being a core 00s movie (coming out in 2005 of all years), it had that Millennium vibe in terms of animation. Nah, 2011 had too much established 2010s trends to be a part of the cultural 2000s. I agree, and while living in it felt like a 180 even from 2008 lol
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